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I have a been drinking some of my homebrew that has been aged for around 6 months in secondary with airlocks. I get so sick the day after. Everthing from dizzness to intense sweating. It is not a hangover and it happends if I even drink a little. I can't figure it out. It tastes great and I followed all santitation rituals very stringently. I use flat glass rocks when topping up and I use DI water. Any thoughts on why it seems to be poisoning me? I have drinken out of about 6 batches and they all make me feel like this.
 
Are you drinking the yeast? Do you have this problem with store bought beer that has been bottled with yeast in it?

I've never heard of sweating or dizziness, but I've had a few friends drink the yeast in the bottle and they had the squirts the next day. I'd check with a doctor, since I don't think anything in homebrew can make you sick unless it's extremely unsanitary.
 
never gotten anything aside from an over indulgence induced hangover. but like mentioned, only a few strains of bug can live in beer (fermented already) and those will gush the beer, or taste odd, perhaps the chocolate squirts. you describe some odd allergy type thing. review what all chemicals/ingredients to see what you are allergic to.
 
Thank you all. The weird thing is that my husband gets sick too. I use glass carboys and believe that would rule out zinc poisoning. Also, neither of us get the runs. I will check regarding the allergies. Do any of you use those flat colored stones you buy by the pound at hobby shops? I can't imagine this would cause it but I just don't know. I am very careful and can't imagine the wine is unsanitary.
Thank you all!
 
Again, do you get sick when you drink storebought alcohol or beer with yeast in the bottle? Are you and your husband on any blood pressure medications including Viagra? I don't expect you to answer that, but these are questions that need to be answered. Your symptoms sound like a reaction to alcohol with prescription meds and/or endocrine problems, ie liver.

Does the same thing happen when you drink wine from the store?
 
Any changes in your vision? There's a small chance this is methanol poisoning and a 12-24 hour time delay is normal. Read this, before getting too concerned though.
 
I'd figure out the common factors of your brewing process. Did you use the same ingredients in them, same equipment, or possibly the same location? I've heard of people who aren't tolerant of sulfur and can't drink wines because of it, maybe it could be your water.
 
Ya sounds like we may need more information. You need to give us every single piece of equipment or ingredient that you are using. You also need to answer the questions about this happening to alcohol that you bought.
 
Since nothing pathogenic can grow in beer, then nothing in homebrew can make you sick. You can't get food poisoning or anything like that. In fact beer was brewed and used in place of water just becasue it was safer usually than the water.

BUT people can have allergies to beer ingredients, someone could have an allergy to hops, or yeast, or the gluten in the grain, someone could be lactose in tolerant and have gastric issues from a sweet stout.

There's going to be two kinds of reactions, things like hives and respiratory, like a peanut allergy, and someone can get cramps and the runs-which is more like a lactose issue.

But they are going to be pretty immediate, the hives and resp are going to happen within minutes, if not sooner, and the GI would still more than likely happen within an hour maybe 2.

Not likely the next day....

And the thing is, if someone is allergic to most of the beer ingredients then a) then they will be allergic to all beers, even commercial, unless it is yeast, then it would be with SOME commercial beers, that are unfiltered. BUT they would also then be allergic to bread as well. Since the same yeast is used in baking.

The hardest one to figure would be a hop allergy, since except for beer, hops don't really appear in other things. BUT then also, the person would be allergic to other beers as well.

When people post asking about this, I usually caution them to look to other things in their environment rather than homebrew, since those allergies are rare and manifest with similar ingredients (like bread) or happen with commercial beers as well.
 
Since nothing pathogenic can grow in beer, then nothing in homebrew can make you sick. You can't get food poisoning or anything like that. In fact beer was brewed and used in place of water just becasue it was safer usually than the water.

BUT people can have allergies to beer ingredients, someone could have an allergy to hops, or yeast, or the gluten in the grain, someone could be lactose in tolerant and have gastric issues from a sweet stout.

There's going to be two kinds of reactions, things like hives and respiratory, like a peanut allergy, and someone can get cramps and the runs-which is more like a lactose issue.

But they are going to be pretty immediate, the hives and resp are going to happen within minutes, if not sooner, and the GI would still more than likely happen within an hour maybe 2.

Not likely the next day....

And the thing is, if someone is allergic to most of the beer ingredients then a) then they will be allergic to all beers, even commercial, unless it is yeast, then it would be with SOME commercial beers, that are unfiltered. BUT they would also then be allergic to bread as well. Since the same yeast is used in baking.

The hardest one to figure would be a hop allergy, since except for beer, hops don't really appear in other things. BUT then also, the person would be allergic to other beers as well.

When people post asking about this, I usually caution them to look to other things in their environment rather than homebrew, since those allergies are rare and manifest with similar ingredients (like bread) or happen with commercial beers as well.

Revvy, I know you are very informed on this topic (i have read some responses on other threads). Could some kind of metal leaching into the beer cause something like this? Anything from a boiling kettle to metal hose fittings, etc.
 
Revvy, I know you are very informed on this topic (i have read some responses on other threads). Could some kind of metal leaching into the beer cause something like this? Anything from a boiling kettle to metal hose fittings, etc.

I don't see anything anywhere in the OP's responses to suggest there's any issues with metal...I'm lost as to where you're getting ideas like that. But it's unlikely, unless they maybe are using a galvanized brew kettle of some sort but I doubt there's galvanized kettles out there.

The only thing I'm curious about are these "stones" I don't know what purpose they are used for. But I might wonder what they are, and if they were sanitized.....if they are not specifically used for brewing (which I've never heard of them) but if they are not something like glass, and they have veins in them, god knows what could be leaching out them. But if they are all different types, I do doubt however that there would be enough stuff coming out in a large amount to taint 5 gallons.....
 
You might also want to consider what else you may be consuming at the same time. Just a wild thought. Any specific snacky-treats you enjoy with your homebrew?

I know I get killer stomach problems and nausea when I eat corn chips or tortilla chips when I drink anything. I just avoid them when I have beer. I think it's something to do with eating too many and not realizing it.
 
You might also want to consider what else you may be consuming at the same time. Just a wild thought. Any specific snacky-treats you enjoy with your homebrew?

I know I get killer stomach problems and nausea when I eat corn chips or tortilla chips when I drink anything. I just avoid them when I have beer. I think it's something to do with eating too many and not realizing it.

That's what I was getting at with my first post....that there might be something else.
 
I don't see anything anywhere in the OP's responses to suggest there's any issues with metal...I'm lost as to where you're getting ideas like that. But it's unlikely, unless they maybe are using a galvanized brew kettle of some sort but I doubt there's galvanized kettles out there.

The only thing I'm curious about are these "stones" I don't know what purpose they are used for. But I might wonder what they are, and if they were sanitized.....if they are not specifically used for brewing (which I've never heard of them) but if they are not something like glass, and they have veins in them, god knows what could be leaching out them. But if they are all different types, I do doubt however that there would be enough stuff coming out in a large amount to taint 5 gallons.....

To be fair, she doesn't say much about allergies either, I was just trying to get some constructive thought proccesses going to cover all the possible causes.

The only thing I can think about the stones is either oxygenating stones, or some people use marbles to eliminate headspace in large ferneting vessels for wines, so something along those lines.

I am also confused as to why this is in the Wine forum but the topic regards homebrewing. I feel like there isn't much more we can do without more info
 
i think they are the flattened marbles of glass that one uses to landscape a fish tank, and perhaps to fill the empty volume in the secondary perhaps??

i just leave the head space and back purge with co2.
 
Wine topic although OP has used "homebrew" instead of home wine making.
I am very careful and can't imagine the wine is unsanitary.

Sulphites certainly make some people react badly, too much of one of the chemicals - Campden, Bentonite, etc? I certainly wouldn't be using those stones to top up with and instead use a similar wine or rack to a smaller vessel for aging.
 
Sulphites are a common cause of allergenic reactions, maybe try a batch without any campden, just use heat instead. Also fusel alcohols can be produced at higher temperatures. It was said before but the acidity of the home-brew can leech out any metals from un-sealed welds or the like.
 
Wine topic although OP has used "homebrew" instead of home wine making.
I am very careful and can't imagine the wine is unsanitary.

Sulphites certainly make some people react badly, too much of one of the chemicals - Campden, Bentonite, etc? I certainly wouldn't be using those stones to top up with and instead use a similar wine or rack to a smaller vessel for aging.

Glad you caught that Sam.....You are right, Sulphites can cause a whole mess of stuff. I hate that this is from "About.com" but it is a nice overview...

Sulfite Allergy

From Victoria Groce, former About.com Guide

Updated March 18, 2008


Sulfites are commonly found in wine, dried fruits, and other processed foods. They're mostly of interest to people with allergies because they're associated with food-triggered asthma attacks, although in rare cases sulfites have been associated with other common food allergy symptoms. The FDA estimates that 1% of the general population and 5% of asthmatics are sensitive to sulfites.

What Sulfites Are:

Sulfites are a group of chemical compounds including sulfur and oxygen, such as sodium sulfite, sulfur dioxide, sodium and potassium bisulfite, and sodium and potassium metabisulfite. They are sometimes naturally occurring, but they may also be added to food during the manufacturing process to prevent browning or serve as a preservative.
Symptoms of Sulfite Allergies:

Sulfites are most strongly associated with asthma attacks. Different people have different thresholds of the amount of sulfites needed to trigger an asthma attack, however, which makes this allergy different than many food allergies. Rarely, sulfite allergies can cause symptoms such as hives, angioedema (redness and swelling), or anaphylaxis.
Asthma and Sulfite Allergies:

The vast majority of people with sulfite allergies react with asthma attacks. Just as for anyone else with asthma, you'll need to manage your asthma in partnership with your doctor by coming up with an asthma management plan. This may include a combination of medications and lifestyle changes. Avoiding foods with high concentrations of sulfites, along with avoiding any other asthma triggers you may have, will certainly be among those lifestyle changes.
# Asthma and Food Allergies
Medications and Sulfite Allergies:

While sulfites are a potential trigger of asthma attacks, people with sulfite allergies and asthma should know that many asthma medications actually include sulfites as a preservative. Your allergist can help you choose an inhaler or other asthma medication that is sulfite-free. Injectible epinephrine is among the other medications that generally includes sulfites; however, doctors generally agree that the benefits of epinephrine outweigh the risks of a reaction. Your own doctor is the best source of guidance for your situation.
Other medications can include sulfites, too, including general anesthesia and other drugs in inhaled or liquid forms. While prevailing opinion is that the benefits of sulfited epinephrine outweigh the risks, this is not the case for many other medications. You can stay safe by making your pharmacist aware of your allergy, asking about medication before you start taking it, and designating someone to advocate on your behalf before hospitalizations or outpatient surgeries. You may also wear a Medic-Alert bracelet listing your allergy, for emergency situations. Many medications do have sulfite-free alternatives.
Foods Containing Sulfites:

Foods that contain high concentrations of sulfites include dried fruits, some fruit juices, wine, pickled foods (such as sauerkraut and onions), and molasses. Among the foods usually containing lower concentrations of sulfites are dried potatoes, some corn-based foods, and wine vinegars. You can find a list of sulfite-containing foods here.
Sulfites and Labeling Laws:

The FDA has placed several restrictions on the use and labeling of sulfites. These include:

* Forbidding sulfites from being added to foods intended for raw consumption (such as salad bars)
* Requiring that sulfites in excess of 10 ppm (parts per million) be indicated on food labels, whether those sulfites are naturally occurring or added during manufacturing
* Requiring that sulfites added for purposes such as preserving foods be labeled, regardless of whether they are in concentrations higher than 10 ppm

You'll see the phrase "contains sulfites" on packaged foods with a sulfite content above 10 ppm.
Sulfites and Alcohol:

There's no such thing as a truly sulfite-free wine or beer, since sulfites occur naturally in alcoholic beverages. However, low-sulfite wines (which fall below the 10 ppm threshold) are available, and these may be viable alternatives for you if your doctor has told you that you have some tolerance of sulfites. These are not, however, for asthmatics who are extremely sensitive or those who may be at risk of anaphylactic reactions to sulfites. Some restaurants may, for a corkage fee, allow you to bring in and drink your own wine.
# Alcohol Allergies and Intolerances
Eating with Sulfite Allergies:

In addition to avoiding sulfites in medications and managing your asthma, you'll need to avoid sulfites in restaurants and in packaged foods.

Avoiding sulfites in packaged foods is fairly simple, thanks to FDA labeling regulations. You and your doctor may find that you're able to eat some foods with relatively low concentrations of sulfites without triggering a reaction; this can be determined through testing in your allergist's office. In addition to looking for the phrase "contains sulfites" on packaged foods, you should learn the names of added sulfites, as they can appear on food labels, and avoid foods that commonly have high concentrations of sulfites. Your doctor will likely give you such a list. The FDA also recalls foods from time to time for undeclared high concentrations of sulfites, so you may want to subscribe to e-mailed allergy recall lists.

Avoiding sulfites in restaurants is trickier, but you can mitigate your risks by following basic principles of eating safely in restaurants with food allergies. Be aware, though, that even in restaurants that have food allergen charts on-hand for menu items, sulfites are less likely to be among the allergens they've prepared for. This means you'll need to be clear with the chef and waitstaff about your allergy. A list of high-sulfite foods that you can give to the chef may be useful in helping to come up with safe dishes. And just in case, make sure that whenever you eat food away from home, you carry your asthma medication and epinephrine (if prescribed).

In addition to avoiding pickled foods, juices that tend to contain sulfites and other foods that are known hazards, you should be aware of some foods that are particularly risky to eat in restaurants. Potato dishes in restaurants are frequently made from dried potatoes treated with sulfites. French fries, hash browns, and similar potato dishes should be considered risky unless you can confirm with the kitchen that they're prepared onsite from fresh potatoes. Also ask about wine or lemon juice (which may be bottled and high in sulfites) in soups, sauces, or rice dishes.

Sources:

Adkinson, N. Franklin, et al. Middleton's Allergy: Principles and Practice. "Chapter 90: Food and Drug Additives Known or Suspected To Cause Adverse Reactions." 6th ed. Philadelphia: Mosby, Inc., 2003.

Papazian, Ruth. "Sulfites: Safe for Most, Dangerous for Some." U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Internet Resource. 17 March 2008.
 
I'm not sure about the dizziness but when ever I drink any alcohol to point I get "buzzed" I get flushed and will start to sweat. I believe my issue is due to higher blood pressure.... Hmm never heard about it happening a day later though?
 
I understand that this is an old post, but wow, have I hit a gold mine here! I learned damn near everything I wanted to know.

I too get flushed after I've had a couple, and I have high blood pressure. My mother has the same problem.

I can't eat Papa John's pizza if I have a beer, or I will be shaking, cold-sweat and nauseous all night. I used to think it was just Papa John's pizza, but now I know that it's only when I combine it with beer.

Thank you all for this discussion!
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