American IPA Purring Kitten Session IPA

I just realized i messed up and used WLP007... I brewed this up saturday using a starter and checked FG last night and it's sitting at 1.014 so if it's sitting at 1.014 tomorrow i'm going to go ahead and dry hop it. I'm going to do it in the primary instead of the keg this time.. I think.

Yeah 007 will probably take it a little more dry but should be fine.

Come to think of it, I'd taste it and see how it is at 1.014. I rolled with 1.017 because I had a deadline to enter it and being a little under-attenuated seemed like something that would work with this style of beer. If it's somehow a little cloying or sweet let it get on down a few more points (where it likely wants to go with 007).

I'm hoping it stays at 1.014. I was going to rack it to a keg and chill it before dry hopping it, but i'll have to see if i have power at the house when i get off work. This is my first experience with 007 and i have done some looking around for info. I have seen some people say that it craps out early...fingers crossed.

If my power is still out i may just dry hop in the primary and then keg. I usually dry hop in keg so i will probably just use the schedule you have on the first page.

Thanks for the help!

I only have us-05 and us-04 on hand. Thoughts on using either of those. I figure us-05 would be good, but mash a bit higher to get a similar fig.

that's exactly what i did when i used 001. good luck!

This beer is amazing! Again I used wlp007 and citra instead of the nelson. My IPA loving lady and buddy are enjoying it.

Oh, like the look of this one. Been thinking about making a lower ABV beer for a while and this looks like just the ticket, will report back with results when done.

Great! I've got 2 vials of 006 Bedford, time on my hands, and the will to brew a couple new versions of this so I'll be sure to update!

Here's my second shot at it. I bottled the WLP006 side today and it seemed like it's going to turn out quite tasty. This one ended up at 4.7% thanks to pitching a vial at half the amount of beer as last time and probably doing better on not dipping the swamp cooler temps too low. 87% mash efficiency certainly didn't hurt either.

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: WLP006 Bedford on 2.75 gal, WLP002 on other 2.75gal
Yeast Starter: No
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.048
Final Gravity: 1.012
IBU: 48
Boiling Time (Minutes): 90
Color: 6.9 SRM
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 24 days. 66-68 for the first week and then 70 for the remainder.
Tasting Notes: Better body than before, still has great nose, finish seems a little less hollow.

10/19/13 UPDATE: This took 2nd out of 36 entries in Category 14 at XBrew 2013 in Redmond, WA.

Grain Bill:
5.5lb 2row
1.25lb Goldpils Vienna
0.5lb Flaked White Wheat
7oz Crystal 40
5oz Crystal 60
4oz Aromatic
4oz Carapils

BIAB
Mash Schedule: 151 for 60min
Mash out at 170 for 10min

Hop Schedule:

First Wort Hop - 10g Columbus 17AA
15m - 20g Chinook 12.1AA + 20g Falconers Flight 11.4AA
5m - 19g Chinook 12.1AA
0m - 36g Falconers Flight, 27g Nelson Sauvin, 17g Columbus, 16g Chinook (let hops steep for 20 min before starting chiller)
Dry Hops - Each half got: 20g Columbus, 28g Nelson for 10 days, then rack and additional 28g Mosaic & 14g Citra for 4 more days.

Water was all RO with the mineral values built to: 112ppm Calcium, 22ppm Magnesium, 0 Sodium, 50ppm Chloride, & 182ppm Sulfates. Effective Alkalinity calculated to 104 & Residual Alkalinity to -63.

Mash was 5 gallon and I added 5.5g Gypsum, 3.5g Calcium Chloride, 8g Epsom Salt, 4g Chalk. Sparge was all RO with no additions (as per usual).

do you actually measure your hops in grams?

this recipe is going on my to brew list now

Yes. It's more accurate so it seems reasonable. Plus I lived in Holland for 10 years.

The new batch is really really nice. I just sent it into the Xbrew Competition in Redmond, WA (EDIT: where it got 2nd of 36 entries) and it'll be in a couple NV competitions coming up soon.

If I re-brewed I'd go back to Centennial in place of Chinook and maybe de-muddle the finishing hops a touch. Maybe stick with 3 varieties so I could pick out their flavors.

Here's a pic with my latest Untappd check in. It's still carbing up. Bottled it 8 days ago and added Lallemand bottle conditioning yeast because it'd been cold crashed.

beerandloathinginaustin said:

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: WLP006 Bedford on 2.75 gal, WLP002 on other 2.75gal
Yeast Starter: No
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.048
Final Gravity: 1.012
IBU: 48
Boiling Time (Minutes): 90
Color: 6.9 SRM
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 24 days. 66-68 for the first week and then 70 for the remainder.
Tasting Notes: Better body than before, still has great nose, finish seems a little less hollow.

Grain Bill:

5.5lb 2row
1.25lb Goldpils Vienna
0.5lb Flaked White Wheat
7oz Crystal 40
5oz Crystal 60
4oz Aromatic
4oz Carapils

BIAB
Mash Schedule: 151 for 60min
Mash out at 170 for 10min

Hop Schedule:

First Wort Hop - 10g Columbus 17AA
15m - 20g Chinook 12.1AA + 20g Falconers Flight 11.4AA
5m - 19g Chinook 12.1AA
0m - 36g Falconers Flight, 27g Nelson Sauvin, 17g Columbus, 16g Chinook (let hops steep for 20 min before starting chiller)
Dry Hops - Each half got: 20g Columbus, 28g Nelson for 10 days, then rack and additional 28g Mosaic & 14g Citra for 4 more days.

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When I put the grains into BS I get 1.040 not 1.048. Am I missing something?

worthogg said:

When I put the grains into BS I get 1.040 not 1.048. Am I missing something?

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I got 87% efficiency this last time. That's probably it. Just bump up your 2 row a little if your system is less efficient.

beerandloathinginaustin said:

I got 87% efficiency this last time. That's probably it. Just bump up your 2 row a little if your system is less efficient.

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Ah yes. Thanks I'll try that.

I'm just tasting version 3 off the kegerator. I added a couple ounces of Special Roast and simplified the hop bill a little bit. I also brewed it as a demonstration brew in the parking lot of the homebrew store I'm working at, so it wasn't my most locked in brew. Still quite tasty with great aroma. Oh, and I need to update. This beer won awards in NV & WA.

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 9 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.5 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.13 gal
Estimated OG: 1.045 SG
Estimated Color: 7.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 44.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 92.2 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
5 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 63.9 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 14.5 %
8.0 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 3 5.8 %
6.9 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 4 5.0 %
5.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5 3.6 %
4.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 6 2.9 %
4.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 7 2.9 %
1.9 oz Special Roast (50.0 SRM) Grain 8 1.4 %
11.00 g Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - First Wo Hop 9 27.0 IBUs
28.00 g Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 10 11.7 IBUs
28.00 g Centennial [8.70 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 5.6 IBUs
28.00 g Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
28.00 g Citra [12.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
17.00 g Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.30 %] - Boil 0.0 Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
61.00 g Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] - Dry Hop 11.0 D Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
31.00 g Citra [14.10 %] - Dry Hop 11.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
45.00 g Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] - Dry Hop 8.0 Da Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
32.00 g Falconers Flight [11.40 %] - Dry Hop 8.0 Hop 18 0.0 IBUs

I just brewed this last night, went very well and brewed v2. I didn't have any Nelson hops so I subbed in Ahtanum in ratio to keep the IBUs the same. Can't wait to try this one. Thanks OP!

Just a follow up, I kegged two weeks ago, and finally had taps open on my kegerator. This beer is phenomenal. The malt is perfect and seems to be a great vehicle for showcasing just about any hops with a medium body and light biscuit flavors. This beer in one form or another will become a regular on my tap wall.

My batch hit 1.049, with a semi-dry finish of 1.007.

My dry hop substitutions were as follows for each of two fermentors:
10 day
2oz Ahantum
1oz Columbus or Galaxy
5 day
1oz Simcoe
.5oz Ahtanum

Thanks for the killer recipe OP! I am looking forward to my next pint(or six)!

Thanks Shotty! I tried it out recently on WLP 862 Cry Havoc and it wasn't too bad. I have a hop bursted version on WLP 008 East Coast getting its second dry hop now. WLP 028 Edinburgh worked out pretty nicely on 3 Floyds hoppy Gumball-esque beer I did recently, so I'll probably take a crack with it next.

WLP 006 Bedford is still the champ though.

OP, I used US-05 for both batches of mine, I have a ton of Denny's Favorite 50 I have grown and stored, I will probably try that on the next batch... I have some Cry Havoc as well, might do a 10 gallon split/comparison batch next....

Version 5 on WLP 008 and hop bursted has been a hit so far among my drinking brethren. Version 4 on the Cry Havoc was a little weird for me.

Here's PK5:

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 8.51 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.59 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.13 gal
Estimated OG: 1.043 SG
Estimated Color: 7.0 SRM
Estimated IBU: 48.4 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 71.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 81.8 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs Great Western Pale Malt (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 64.7 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 13.5 %
8.0 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 3 5.4 %
5.1 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 30L (30.0 SRM) Grain 5 3.5 %
5.1 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 6 3.5 %
4.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 7 2.7 %
6.1 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 4.1 %
4.0 oz Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 8 2.7 %
2.0 pkg East Coast Ale (White Labs #WLP008) [35. Yeast 15 -
41.00 g Citra [11.70 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 17.5 IBUs
30.00 g Galaxy [15.40 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 10 16.9 IBUs
29.00 g Simcoe [13.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 11 14.0 IBUs
51.00 g Citra [11.70 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
40.00 g Galaxy [15.40 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
30.00 g Simcoe [13.20 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
30.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 17.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
30.00 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 17.0 Days Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 17.0 Days Hop 18 0.0 IBUs
34.00 g Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 9.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
37.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 9.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
33.00 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 9.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs

I'm sure the grain bill could still be played with a little and I think WLP 006 or WLP 028 might be perfect strains for this type of beer. The aroma on this beer is killer though.

Can't wait to give this a try. Brewing an iipa next so this should be a good compliment when I want to be able to have more than one on a weeknight!

D_Nyholm said:

Can't wait to give this a try. Brewing an iipa next so this should be a good compliment when I want to be able to have more than one on a weeknight!

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You're not kidding. The difference between how I feel in the morning if I have 6 or 7 of these versus even a 7% IPA is beyond night and day.

Just put a Citra/Mosaic version of this grist in a carboy with some US05. Hit my OG right on, this mash smelled great. Will report back in a couple weeks with tasting notes.

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Brewed version 2 of this recipe this weekend. The mash smelled delicous and the fermenter smelled almost like cinnamon toast crunch last night. Not sure if that is normal, but it is exciting

Hoping to brew version 2 this weekend, it sounds excellent. I love IPAs but I hate the high ABV. Thanks for posting this!

I don't understand this recipe. I just bought everything to brew 15 gallons and THEN entered it into BEERSMITH.

Beersmith shows this beer to have a 1.044 SG with 105.7 IBU's

What's going on here. The bitterness is so high it is off the chart.

I can't brew this untill someone explains this crazy hop schedule.

HELP ME PLEASE

You sure your unit conversions are correct? It would help if you post what you entered so we could compare the two.

Thanks for responding.
I entered everything twice .
maybe I am wrong.
I just don't want to screw up 15 gallons.

Maybe try entering it just once

I can vouch for the recipe as posted here. Can you take a screenshot of your beer smith recipe or something?

Well I brewed 15 gallons of this yesterday.
The amount of hops in this recipe is WAY more than any other IPA or IIPA that I have ever brewed in the past.
Very expensive, I hope it is worth it.

The original recipe calls for ~5oz in the boil (for 5.5 gal), which is not a crazy amount, especially as they are mostly late additions.

Can you post the hop schedule you used for your 15 gal batch?

You did notice the hops were listed in GRAMS and not ounces right? Check your conversion ratios. Beersmith for me lists IBU of version 2 of the recipe at 51.7. The only thing that seemed high to me were the dry hops. For 11 gallons it was like 2.8 oz. Columbus, 4 oz. Nelson Sauvin followed by 4 oz. Mosaic and 2 oz. of Citra. For me 4 oz. of a single hop when dry hopping is a lot.

My hop schedule for 15 gallons was

First wort hop- 1.05 oz columbus
15m- 2.11 oz Chinook & 2.11 oz Falconers Flight
5M- 2..01 oz Chinook
0m- 3.80 oz Falconers Flight & 2.85 oz Nelson & 1.79 oz Columbus & 1.69 oz Chinook

Maybe I don't know how to use Beersmith. I entered it again and this time the IBU's are 87.9

Still a very high number.

stockstinks said:

My hop schedule for 15 gallons was

First wort hop- 1.05 oz columbus
15m- 2.11 oz Chinook & 2.11 oz Falconers Flight
5M- 2..01 oz Chinook
0m- 3.80 oz Falconers Flight & 2.85 oz Nelson & 1.79 oz Columbus & 1.69 oz Chinook

Maybe I don't know how to use Beersmith. I entered it again and this time the IBU's are 87.9

Still a very high number.

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I use Rager, which will give you a lower number IBU-wise. Also, you may get more hop utilization on a 15 gallon batch.

I brewed this recipe with some slight tweaks to the ratios (but kept the same types and amounts), and won the IPA category and went to the semifinals of BoS at Kirkland Oktobrewfest, scoring 40 points.

DaveSeattle said:

I brewed this recipe with some slight tweaks to the ratios (but kept the same types and amounts), and won the IPA category and went to the semifinals of BoS at Kirkland Oktobrewfest, scoring 40 points.

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Thanks for bringing this back to life. I could really use a session IPA. My brew last weekend I blew my efficiency out of the water! Planned for 65% and ended up with over 80%! My 6.6% ABV beer is going to be over 8.4%. I'm sure I will drink it, just not too many at a time.

So are the rest of you who are brewing this getting FGs close to the original 1.017? I usually use S-04 for recipes calling for English ale yeast, but that sucka is a beast and will probably blow this down under 1.010. What would Windsor British ale yeast do to this? Chart says it attenuates "medium".

No, I got 1.010 FG. But it was still great.

The measurements of yeast attenuation given by the manufacturers are only a rough guide. The actual degree of attenuation varies with yeast health, mash temperature, pitch size, oxygenation levels, how the strain's alcohol tolerance compares to the strength of the beer, fermentation temperature, whether it is a lager vs. ale yeast, and more.

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Thanks for bringing this back to life. I could really use a session IPA. My brew last weekend I blew my efficiency out of the water! Planned for 65% and ended up with over 80%! My 6.6% ABV beer is going to be over 8.4%. I'm sure I will drink it, just not too many at a time.

So are the rest of you who are brewing this getting FGs close to the original 1.017? I usually use S-04 for recipes calling for English ale yeast, but that sucka is a beast and will probably blow this down under 1.010. What would Windsor British ale yeast do to this? Chart says it attenuates "medium".

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The original brew was a series of 3 brews, all on almost expired Platinum White Labs strains with no starters, so it probably should be more in the 1.010-1.014 range to be award winning. I will brew a beer very much rooted in this beer at Relentless Brewing, where I'm now the Head Brewer. I'd be happy to field any questions or share results and tweaks. I'm confident I will professionally brew a pretty badass SIPA no matter what it takes, and I'm always willing to share the recipe as I go.

beerandloathinginaustin said:

The original brew was a series of 3 brews, all on almost expired Platinum White Labs strains with no starters, so it probably should be more in the 1.010-1.014 range to be award winning. I will brew a beer very much rooted in this beer at Relentless Brewing, where I'm now the Head Brewer. I'd be happy to field any questions or share results and tweaks. I'm confident I will professionally brew a pretty badass SIPA no matter what it takes, and I'm always willing to share the recipe as I go.

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Thanks. I would love to hear your experiences and pointers. I have at least two other beers slotted ahead of this right now, but I will definitely plan to make something like this early next year.