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Here's some hysteria for ya. Any thoughts? King George in the making...

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Wow. this stuff sounds dangerous. King George of the U.S.A. might not be so far fetched.
Hey, I haven't read everything on this but from what I have it seems some people are up in arms about this. Maybe it's completely overblown and obscure, but should be something brought to the publics attention. You won't find this on Fox news.

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Does NSPD 51 mean what I think it does? Is the president taking over the entire federal government?
whitehouse ^ | 5-22-07 | grapeape

Posted on 05/22/2007 11:29:27 AM PDT by grapeape

Seems the president wants the option to takeover the entire federal government in case another disaster hits the US. I do not see why the entire federal government needs to be taken over in case one part of the country is hit by a crisis?

Look at this one "(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions" This could mean anything.
 
It's just his vie to be the World's dictator.

Right now we need to get rid of him and all the other crooks who are stealing our Civil Liberties saying we need to be protected from terrorists.

Hell, they're the terrorists. Yes, I believe they were behind 911. This country was founded by terrorists and traitors, what's new?

Just recently, E. Howard Hunt (think Watergate), admitted before dying that LBJ and the CIA had Kennedy killed because he wanted to do away with the Federal Reserve. They are the bankers who are really running this country.
Funny thing is the "Fed" is not even part of the Federal Government BUT Bush recently "appointed" its newest CEO a couple of months ago. How's that even possible? What's the relationship? Must go back further than GWs grandfather Prescott working for the Nazi's!

All I can say for our future is get a couple of gun, lots of ammo and learn to habla espanol! ;)
 
OMG you have to be ****ting me!! HB99 your crazy theory's always seem to amaze me.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: You can not tell me that you Honestly believe that the U.S. government was behind 9-11. If so maybe its time to get checked into a state hospital. Once again your political BS sickens me. :mad:
 
Ryanh1801 said:
OMG you have to be ****ting me!! HB99 your crazy theory's always seem to amaze me.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: You can not tell me that you Honestly believe that the U.S. government was behind 9-11. If so maybe its time to get checked into a state hospital. Once again your political BS sickens me. :mad:
Yes, I do believe it. That doesn't make it political BS! This is an "opinions" thread. That's my opinion.

I bet you don't know anything about the new Army Reg that was written to incarcerate American Civilians in concentration camps at US Army posts? You don't really believe that Halliburton got the contract because they were the lowest bidder, do you? Read here: http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf I don't think they are being built for illegals either.

You're sounding like many Germans who still refuse to believe the Holocaust was real. I've been to Dachau and Buchenwald a number of times.

Lighten up we all die in the end! It's how you live that counts! ;)

Always question why your government is not performing to make your life better. Isn't that (alledgedly) why they are there? Unfortunately, illegal Mexicans (not picking on them, just an example) qualify for all kinds of benefits (while not being citizens) that you don't qualify for, but are paying for. Why is that? Ask your Representatives. I did. Why would they want to screw that up and become citizens?

The "debate" in DC should not be about "immigration", but "deportation". Bush said that would be impossible. Sure, from where he's sitting, maybe.

Ask yourself where would your a$$ be if you entered Mexico illegally and demanded everything they do here. I'll tell you...probably shot in the head in some field. Open up your eyes. Baa, baa!!
 
homebrewer_99 said:
Yes, I do believe it. That doesn't make it political BS!

I bet you don't know anything about the new Army Reg that was written to incarcerate American Civilians in concentration camps at US Army posts?

You're sounding like many Germans who still refuse to believe the Holocaust was real.

Lighten up we all die in the end! ;)

Sorry but yes it does. If this country is run so bad and so ****ty why not move to another one and then see how good you have it. Im am truly at a loss for words.
 
So labor camps to make scum of the earth inmates work and actually give back to society= concentration camp. humm not seeing the connection.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
Sorry but yes it does. If this country is run so bad and so ****ty why not move to another one and then see how good you have it. Im am truly at a loss for words.
That's a typical retort. You're one of those. I've been to dozens of countries for weeks and months and lived in Germany for 9 years. I've been around. Our medical system sucks. Our 2 party political system sucks...some choice. Even our vote doesn't count if the Electoral College doesn't want it to.

To keep it short/civil I will say that the US is a great place to live. However, many citizens do not realize that our lawmakers do not have our best interests in mind when they make their decisions.

Hell, think about it -- it takes an Act of Congress to make us call the crooks in DC "Honorable". ;)

Want an example of Democracy? Two wolves and one sheep debate what's for dinner. :D

Enough said.
 
Cheesefood said:
Snort some lines tonight, Bill? You're quite loquacious.
Nah, beer is my drug of choice. I'm fine. Just hit a fine subject that I like to talk about. I just foresee myself as being one of those Intelligensia (scum of the earth) lined up for "camp" someday.

Far too many US citizens are ignorant about what the Government is DOING to them while the main newsline is Paris Hilton goes to jail. Who cares? Tell me what Congress is doing?

It was admitted that not one person who voted FOR it ever read the PATRIOT Act, but they all signed up for it. :mad:

Anyway, the thread was about the new Fuhrer in the first place. ;)

Time for bed. Night all!
 
homebrewer_99 said:
Nah, beer is my drug of choice. I'm fine. Just hit a fine subject that I like to talk about. I just foresee myself as being one of those Intelligensia (scum of the earth) lined up for "camp" someday.

Far too many US citizens are ignorant about what the Government is DOING to them while the main newsline is Paris Hilton goes to jail. Who cares? Tell me what Congress is doing?

It was admitted that not one person who voted FOR it ever read the PATRIOT Act, but they all signed up for it. :mad:

Anyway, the thread was about the new Fuhrer in the first place. ;)

So that shack in Montana you're building - how's it looking? Figure out which mailbox you'll drop the letters in yet?

:mug:
 
homebrewer_99 said:
Nah, beer is my drug of choice. I'm fine. Just hit a fine subject that I like to talk about. I just foresee myself as being one of those Intelligensia (scum of the earth) lined up for "camp" someday.

Far too many US citizens are ignorant about what the Government is DOING to them while the main newsline is Paris Hilton goes to jail. Who cares? Tell me what Congress is doing?

It was admitted that not one person who voted FOR it ever read the PATRIOT Act, but they all signed up for it. :mad:

Anyway, the thread was about the new Fuhrer in the first place. ;)

Time for bed. Night all!

If you do not break the law you have nothing to worry about. As I said before I would much rather see CRIMINALS work and do some good, than sit in jail eating up tax money.

As for your second line, I completely agree.( whooa did hell just freeze over)

The PATRIOT Act is something that needed to be done. I have read through it and have no problem with it.

I assume by saying fuhrer you are trying to compare President Bush to Hitler which is just idiotic.
 
Awww, this is gettin' good. Two opposite extreme ends of the loony spectrum, gettin' it AWN!!!:rockin:

"You don't need civil liberties as long as you obey the leaders!!"

"Bush is worse than Hitler and the US Government was behind 9/11!!"


Aw, hell, did you guys just invoke Godwin's Law? And just when it was getting interesting. Scheiße!
 
Debate is good- expressing your opinions is fine. Personal attacks are not ok. Discuss all you want, but please refrain from attacking the other person by calling them "stupid" or any other personal attacks.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :mug:
 
Yooper Chick said:
Debate is good- expressing your opinions is fine. Personal attacks are not ok. Discuss all you want, but please refrain from attacking the other person by calling them "stupid" or any other personal attacks.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :mug:
Did someone call another stupid? I must have missed that...? :confused:
 
Evan! said:
I do believe ryan inferred that you were "idiotic", Bill...
Oh, that's TOTALLY different...I was not offended.

He has a right to his opinion no matter how wrong it is! :D :mug:


"Of course the people don't want War. But of course, it's the leaders of the country that determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a Democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliment, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. -Herman Goering-



Some light reading: http://www.wanttoknow.info/070618professorsquestion911 ;)
 
Evan! said:
I do believe ryan inferred that you were "idiotic", Bill...

Nope just said the statement was.;) That sad part is I'm not that conservative, but compared to HB99's view I look way right.
 
homebrewer_99 said:
You are correct. There is not comparison, Hilter was an excellent public speaker...;) :D

Lest you forget, Hilter was also ELECTED!

Hitler Killed around 11 million innocent people because of their ethnic back ground and or religion. I fail to see the comparison. The main problem with all your "theory's" is you have no proof to back anything up. You take stuff that the government does and grossly blow them out of proportion. Comparing a labor camp to a concentration's camp is just as ridicules. But im sure someone as far left as your self thinks that their needs to be no law and order.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
Hitler Killed around 11 million innocent people because of their ethnic back ground and or religion. I fail to see the comparison. The main problem with all your "theory's" is you have no proof to back anything up. You take stuff that the government does and grossly blow them out of proportion. Comparing a labor camp to a concentration's camp is just as ridicules. But im sure someone as far left as your self thinks that their needs to be no law and order.
Not to get personal, but you need to go back to school...Hitler order/had killed OVER 28 MILLION people! Not only was it based upon ethnic background and religion, but highly trained intelligent people such as doctors, lawyers, teachers, then there's the unemployed, homeless, alcoholics, gypsies, homosexuals, handicapped, deformed, nutjobs in the asylums, etc. Too bad all you learned about in school were the 6 million Jews (apparantly they had a good agent and got all the publicity).

Comparison? Hitler built the autobahn. Of course, Eisenhower came back from Germany and started our interstate program in 1954. I wonder where he got that idea??

Comparison? Bush wants to allow over 20 million illegals to live in this country. What effect do you think that will have on YOUR standard of living? Check the medical reports about how much medical costs are costing the hospitals by illegals with CA and TX alone! Don't you think that impacts welfare, medicare/cade insurance, life insurance, car insurance, unemployment taxes, income taxes, real estate taxes, etc? Why? Because they think they'll get votes from the ignorant masses.

These are great. I don't make them up, I just perpetuate them...

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." - Mark Twain

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. - Mark Twain

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. - G Gordon Liddy

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. - James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)

Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries. - Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. - Ronald Reagan (1986)

I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. - Will Rogers

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! - P.J. O'Rourke

In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. - Voltaire
(1764)

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! - Pericles (430 B.C.)

No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain (1866)

Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it. - Unknown

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other. - Ronald Reagan

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill

The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin. - Mark Twain

There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress. - Mark Twain

What this country needs is more unemployed politicians. - Edward Langley, Artist (1928 - 1995)

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
 
homebrewer_99 said:
Not to get personal, but you need to go back to school...Hitler order/had killed OVER 28 MILLION people! Not only was it based upon ethnic background and religion, but highly trained intelligent people such as doctors, lawyers, teachers, then there's the gypsies, homosexuals, handicapped, nutjobs in the assylums, etc. Too bad all you learned about in school were the 6 milloin Jews. Apparantly they got all the publicity.

Comparison? Hitler also built the autobahn. Of course, Eisenhower came back from Germany and started our interstate program in 1954. I wonder where he got that idea??

COmparison? Bush wants to allow over 20 million illegals to live in this country. What effect do you think that will have on YOUR standard of living? Check the medical reports about how much medical costs are costing the hospitals by illegals with CA and TX!

No sorry the number of executions is just around 11 million. 6 million where Jewish people. then 5 million because of ethnic, other religion or Gender. Once again you inflate information.

Do I agree with Bush on immigration, hell no.

Oh about the ignorant masses, it has been proven that most ignorant masses vote for liberals so I don't think thats a good reason. NOt saying that people voting liberal are ignorant, just that most ignorant people vote liberal.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
Nope just said the statement was.;) That sad part is I'm not that conservative, but compared to HB99's view I look way right.

Well, there's a difference, especially these days, between "conservative" and "republican". And, not to nitpick, but the old "if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" shtick is a classic tool of authoritarians, rather than conservatives - be they democrats, republicans or communists - and it can and has been used to justify just about any draconian law or action one could dream up. There's virtually no principle or right that can't be circumvented by invoking that wrongheaded statement.

"Hey, look, the government installed little closed circuit video cameras in every room in my house! That's not right!" "Hey, man, if you're not doing anything wrong, then you've got nothing to worry about". :p
 
Ryanh1801 said:
Oh about the ignorant masses, it has been proven that most ignorant masses vote for liberals so I don't think thats a good reason. NOt saying that people voting liberal are ignorant, just that most ignorant people vote liberal.

It's been "proven" that ignorant people vote liberal? "Proven" by whom? Rush? O'Reilly? Come on. I'd love to see this scientific study, and also see how these social scientists who authored it defined "ignorant". Because I've known plenty of ignorant people on both sides of the aisle...from ignorant hippies who vote democrat because they think a democrat will somehow save us from global warming and war, to ignorant red-staters who vote republican based solely on abortion and church.

But by all means...let's see this study.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
No sorry the number of executions is just around 11 million. 6 million where Jewish people. then 5 million because of ethnic, other religion or Gender. Once again you inflate information.

Do I agree with Bush on immigration, hell no.

Oh about the ignorant masses, it has been proven that most ignorant masses vote for liberals so I don't think thats a good reason. NOt saying that people voting liberal are ignorant, just that most ignorant people vote liberal.

Sorry, our numbers are wrong, but mine are closer...one estimate is 26 million people:

http://www.catholicintl.com/noncatholicissues/overlooked.htm

The Holocaust was more than a Jewish event. Records kept by the Germans prove they exterminated millions of Communists, Czechs, Greeks, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, mentally and physically handicapped, Poles, resistance fighters, Russians, Serbs, Socialists, Spanish Republicans, trade unionists, Ukrainians, Yugoslavians, prisoners of war of many nations, and still others whose identity may never be recognized.(1) Their victims, according to one survivor of four different concentration camps, "were of some thirty nationalities, from Nepalese to Andorrans, and of a variety of racial and linguistic stocks ranging from Basques to Buriats and from Ladinos to Lapps".(2) When people were not immediately exterminated, they were sent to work and/or concentration camps. There the prisoners were divided into six penal categories and given patches on their clothing for identification purposes. Ordinary criminals were assigned green; political prisoners wore red; black was worn by asocials (slackers, prostitutes, procurers, etc.); homosexuals wore pink; conscientious objectors wore purple, and the Jewish people wore yellow.(3)
The Nazis sought to annihilate all Jews and all enemies of the state. Every Jew was to be wiped out, but not necessarily every Russian, Serb, or Yugoslavian. That millions of non-Jews were also killed demonstrates the determination and magnitude of the Nazi extermination program to eliminate anyone who could even remotely be considered an enemy of the state. Current estimates based on documents from Nazi war records, and official government documents of various countries, place the death toll of people murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust as conservatively over 15 million non-combatant people.(5) One official source estimates the number killed at 26 million.(6) However, "with the mass graves on the eastern front, exact figures will never be known".(7)
These figures represent a common denominator between Jews and Gentiles -- total lives lost. The "six million" figure used for Jewish lives lost during the Holocaust includes deaths attributable to starvation, beatings, street executions, concentration camp deaths, overwork, and relocations, to name just a few of the categories. Nazis targeted Jews for complete extermination and used whatever means were necessary and available. Many non-Jewish victims also died in concentration camps by gassing, lethal experiments, starvation, overwork, or beatings, but a greater number perished because of the aggressive tactics of the Nazis in rounding up their victims and in street assassinations.


Actually, I believe the ignorant don't vote and don't care what happens to them...:mad:
 
My double checked numbers came from USHMM. The majority of sources I find on the internet find the number at around 11million. Their are only a few that have the number's at higher than 20 Million. As far as the ignorant, one word unions. My uncle is told every election to go vote for the democrat option.

Ok I really need to go look for another job now.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
As far as the ignorant, one word unions. My uncle is told every election to go vote for the democrat option.

Just as I suspected. So when you said "it's been proven", what you really meant is "based on nonscientific anecdotal evidence involving my uncle and the unions, I'm guessing that ignorant people vote liberal". Just wanted to clear that up.

Not exactly "proof". More like "guess based on anecdote".
 
Evan! said:
Just as I suspected. So when you said "it's been proven", what you really meant is "based on nonscientific anecdotal evidence involving my uncle and the unions, I'm guessing that ignorant people vote liberal". Just wanted to clear that up.

Not exactly "proof". More like "guess based on anecdote".

The union is a mass of people, just like the illegals that HB99 was talking about. So I think it is a very true statement. Just ask anyone that works for the union.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
My double checked numbers came from USHMM. The majority of sources I find on the internet find the number at around 11million. Their are only a few that have the number's at higher than 20 Million. As far as the ignorant, one word unions. My uncle is told every election to go vote for the democrat option.

Ok I really need to go look for another job now.
I guess we'll never really know for sure.

Sorry about the job hunt...I guess the Union stood behind you...hey! Who's pushing...:D

I was told many years ago that you really need a career over a job because job means Just Over Broke...;)
 
it's pretty simple why your uncle is advised to vote democratic by his union. democrats are generally more supportive of unions. too bad unions aren't very democratic anymore...

there's plenty of propoganda pushed by both sides and many ignorant people vote based on a certain bias that they believe their side stands for.

it's really a big crock of **** anymore...everyone is pandering. i can't stand to watch these candidates "debate". it's making me seriously ill :( i wish we could all stop choosing sides and worry more about issues. i'm sick of "all or none"

btw, i have no idea how this argument started. just came in at the last minute, so my two cents may be worth zero :p
 
DeathBrewer said:
it's pretty simple why your uncle is advised to vote democratic by his union. democrats are generally more supportive of unions. too bad unions aren't very democratic anymore...

there's plenty of propoganda pushed by both sides and many ignorant people vote based on a certain bias that they believe their side stands for.

it's really a big crock of **** anymore...everyone is pandering. i can't stand to watch these candidates "debate". it's making me seriously ill :( i wish we could all stop choosing sides and worry more about issues. i'm sick of "all or none"

btw, i have no idea how this argument started. just came in at the last minute, so my two cents may be worth zero :p
What argument??? :confused: :D
 
homebrewer_99 said:
I guess we'll never really know for sure.

Sorry about the job hunt...I guess the Union stood behind you...hey! Who's pushing...:D

I was told many years ago that you really need a career over a job because job means Just Over Broke...;)

Job= three more semesters of college, then career= which means ill still be broke working for Uncle Sam.
 
Ryanh1801 said:
Job= three more semesters of college, then career= which means ill still be broke working for Uncle Sam.
As a taxpayer, you'll always be working for your Uncle...;)

Today I have 33 years with Uncle.;)

I'm eligible (@ 55) to retire in 2 years and 1 month. I may stay until Oct '09...depends. I'll be turning in about 9 months of sick time which will compute to just shy of 36 years service to my country. :D
 
FireBrewer said:
Not to hijack this, but since it's already been mentioned, I have a hard time with the 9-11 conspiracy theories. I've read the essays, seen the videos and none of them can compare to what I've learned in the course of my career about building construction and fire behavior, to say nothing about eyewitness accounts at the Pentagon by dozens of coworkers of mine. I'll tend to believe what they saw rather than what 100 professors think. You don't have to be on the "government's side" to manipulate material to get your point across.

Afterall, what do you call a doctor that graduated at the bottom of their graduating class?

A doctor. :D

Back to the topic at hand, that's just scary. Remember when Presidents used to get impeached for getting a hummer? :D

Didn't Matt Stone and Trey Parker settle the damn 9/11 thing once and for all? :mug:
 
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