Hoppy Wits & Wheat beers = new Black IPA

shoreman · May 29, 2012

I've been seeing alot of homebrew blog posts on the hoppy wits and just made one myself with all tettnanger hops then dry hopped with cascade and tettnanger. I also dry spiced with coriander & orange peel - fermented with brewferm wit yeast - the bitterness and aroma works really well with the spicing, creamy mouthfeel from oats and yeast. Surprising results in this one- very refreshing and not over the top at all.

Do you think this is the next "hot" style in craft?

MalFet · May 30, 2012

I've been having to make a batch of Little Sumpin Sumpin clone every month or so just to keep the missus happy. It's a tasty style.

ktblunden · May 30, 2012

It seems like the latest trend in craft and homebrew is always going to be stepping outside of the "traditional" styles. Taking a pale style and making it black, taking a traditionally low IBU style and hopping it up to IPA levels, etc. It's just a way of striving to create something unique. In some cases it gives rise to new, fantastic styles. That being said, I enjoy Belgians and I love IPAs, but I have yet to have a "Belgian IPA" that I was very impressed with. Some styles just don't seem to mesh to me.

BrewThruYou · May 30, 2012

I like some of the Belgian PAs and IPAs, but can't get on board with Black IPAs. Hops + Roastiness doesn't do it for me...hops need to shine.

shoreman · May 30, 2012

ktblunden said:
It seems like the latest trend in craft and homebrew is always going to be stepping outside of the "traditional" styles. Taking a pale style and making it black, taking a traditionally low IBU style and hopping it up to IPA levels, etc. It's just a way of striving to create something unique. In some cases it gives rise to new, fantastic styles. That being said, I enjoy Belgians and I love IPAs, but I have yet to have a "Belgian IPA" that I was very impressed with. Some styles just don't seem to mesh to me.

Really great thoughts here thanks for sharing.

I didn't think I would like the Belgian ipa style but have had some outstanding examples especially Cambridge brewpubs

logan3825 · May 30, 2012

BrewThruYou said:
I like some of the Belgian PAs and IPAs, but can't get on board with Black IPAs. Hops + Roastiness doesn't do it for me...hops need to shine.

Which ones have you tried? You might be surprised if you haven't tried one. Done right they are really good.

Gumballhead is a really really good hoppy wheat. I like it better than Little Sumpin Sumpin.

ReverseApacheMaster · May 30, 2012

I could go either way about a hoppy wheat but those hoppy wits are revolting. There's a local brewery (Deep Ellum) that makes one. It's disgusting. It doesn't really taste like a wit and the hops don't mesh well with what little wit flavor there is. It makes me want to drive my car through the brewery in hopes of destroying their ability to ever make that beer again.

I guess to each his or her own but I just don't get the draw.

bwomp313 · May 30, 2012

ktblunden said:
That being said, I enjoy Belgians and I love IPAs, but I have yet to have a "Belgian IPA" that I was very impressed with. Some styles just don't seem to mesh to me.

Have you tried Flying Dog Raging *****? I think it's fantastic.

Also, I had Blue Point's White IPA and thought it was really interesting/tasty

TyTanium · May 30, 2012

bwomp313 said:
Have you tried Flying Dog Raging *****? I think it's fantastic.

Agreed - delicious. Houblon Chouffe is also amazing...there's a darn good clone recipe on here.

I'm a huge fan of the hoppy wheats...have you seen Boederij_Kabouter's Titania? It's an awesome recipe - tons of hops, really low bitterness. Kolsch yeast works well with C-hops.

ktblunden · May 30, 2012

bwomp313 said:
Have you tried Flying Dog Raging *****? I think it's fantastic.

I have not, but I was just looking at it in Bevmo yesterday and thinking I had seen someone recommend it just the other day on here. I don't necessarily have a block on the style, but I don't usually go out of my way to try new ones.

VTDuffman · May 30, 2012

bwomp313 said:
Have you tried Flying Dog Raging *****? I think it's fantastic.

+1 it's the only "Belgian IPA" I've found so far that I like.

They also have a new one called "Wildeman Farmhouse IPA" which is almost like a Saison-IPA. It's good, but I think Raging ***** is better.

Flying Dog makes good beer.

Beer-lord · May 30, 2012

MalFet said:
I've been having to make a batch of Little Sumpin Sumpin clone every month or so just to keep the missus happy. It's a tasty style.

Would you mind sharing your clone recipe with me? I just tried LSS for the first time last week and went crazy over it. It's not something we can get here but a friend who traveled brought me back two. They were gone almost immediately.

MalFet · May 30, 2012

Beer-lord said:
Would you mind sharing your clone recipe with me? I just tried LSS for the first time last week and went crazy over it. It's not something we can get here but a friend who traveled brought me back two. They were gone almost immediately.

It's a Jamil recipe, described on "Can You Brew It":
http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/705
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/can-you-brew-recipe-lagunitas-little-sumpin-sumpin-218399/

It's a pretty solid clone. I simplified the (ridiculously complex) hops a bit, since it felt a little silly to add *2g* of Horizon and Summit. I've made 3 or four batches now and each one has been delicious.

Beer-lord · May 31, 2012

Very cool. Thanks much.

BrewThruYou · May 31, 2012

logan3825 said:
Which ones have you tried? You might be surprised if you haven't tried one. Done right they are really good.

Gumballhead is a really really good hoppy wheat. I like it better than Little Sumpin Sumpin.

Stone 15th Anniversary, 21st Back in Black, Iniquity, Self-Righteous...that's what I can remember. It's just a style that doesn't appeal to me.

We don't get any 3 Floyds brews out in PA...at least not that I've seen. But Little Sumpin Sumpin is really good.

logan3825 · May 31, 2012

We get a really good black IPA here in Wisconsin. Black Top.

ktblunden · Jun 1, 2012

OK, I've gotta say, I picked up the Sam Adams IPA Hop-ology pack over the weekend and I opened up the Grumpy Monk tonight and it is a really good blending of the Belgian and IPA styles.

jtakacs · Jun 1, 2012

imperial black wit anyone?

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