Mosaic/Nelson Sauvin Pairing

Has anybody tried pairing these two hops before? I'm interested in what your experiences may have been. I haven't used Mosaic before but really liked Great Lakes Alchemy Hour Double IPA that showcases this hop. I have paired Citra and Nelson in an IPA and had good results...I'm considering maybe equal amounts of Citra, Nelson, and Mosaic in an imperial IPA recipe. Any thoughts on this?

Wow...so I'll be the first person ever to try this hop combo?

Mosaic is a pretty new hop and Nelson Sauvin is sometimes hard to get, so there is a good chance nobody has tried this combo yet.

I've got 3oz of so of Nelly in the freezer....

Could always pick up some mosaic if you have some good results

atimmerman88 said:

I've got 3oz of so of Nelly in the freezer....

Could always pick up some mosaic if you have some good results

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I'll let you know. I'll brew it later this week and post my recipe once I've decided on a few details I still have to iron out...then I'll post my results once it's done. If Mosaic is a fruity hop like Citra, and Citra and Nelson pair well together...you know where I'm going with this. We'll see.

My experience with Mosaic was that it was actually fruitier and less piney than even Citra...most places describe it as tropical fruit but it was more like pink grapefruit for me. I just brewed a batch of 1-gallon beers with a simple grain bill and only a single flavor/aroma hop to test them, and Mosaic and Citra were among them.

I made a nelson/ mosaic apa. Used way more mosaic than nelson but, the nelson still comes through. Mosaic seems to change. Mine reminded me of a fruity simcoe. To me, nelson has a sharp flavor that I don't care for as much. The apa is good but, I would have rather used citra instead of nelson. Just my 2 cents. Mosiac is awesome though.

Osedax said:

I made a nelson/ mosaic apa. Used way more mosaic than nelson but, the nelson still comes through. Mosaic seems to change. Mine reminded me of a fruity simcoe. To me, nelson has a sharp flavor that I don't care for as much. The apa is good but, I would have rather used citra instead of nelson. Just my 2 cents. Mosiac is awesome though.

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I love Nelson, but it's definitely one of those polarizing hops that people tend to really like or not like too much at all. If you don't like Nelson don't brew the recipe I'm about to post because there's a good amount of it in there.

Richard Simmons - Damn, That's Fruity
Imperial IPA
Type: All Grain Date: 5/8/2013
Batch Size (fermenter): 6.00 gal Brewer: Dave
Boil Size: 9.28 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Stainless Kegs (10 Gal/37.8 L) - All Grain
End of Boil Volume 7.28 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5.25 gal Est Mash Efficiency 87.5 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
14 lbs 2.7 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 81.8 %
12.7 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.6 %
12.7 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.6 %
12.7 oz Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 4 4.6 %
6.1 oz Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.2 %
6.1 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 6 2.2 %
0.75 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 7 26.2 IBUs
0.33 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 7.0 IBUs
0.33 oz Mosaic [12.70 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 9 6.3 IBUs
0.33 oz Nelson Sauvin [12.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 10 6.2 IBUs
0.33 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 11 5.8 IBUs
0.33 oz Mosaic [12.70 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 12 5.2 IBUs
0.33 oz Nelson Sauvin [12.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 13 5.1 IBUs
0.33 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 14 4.2 IBUs
0.33 oz Mosaic [12.70 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 15 3.8 IBUs
0.33 oz Nelson Sauvin [12.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 16 3.7 IBUs
0.33 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 17 2.3 IBUs
0.33 oz Mosaic [12.70 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 18 2.1 IBUs
0.33 oz Nelson Sauvin [12.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 19 2.1 IBUs
0.66 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
0.66 oz Mosaic [12.70 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 21 0.0 IBUs
0.66 oz Nelson Sauvin [12.50 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 22 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35.49 ml] Yeast 23 -
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days Hop 24 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [14.10 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days Hop 25 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Mosaic [12.70 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days Hop 26 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Nelson Sauvin [12.50 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days Hop 27 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.078 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 8.5 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Bitterness: 80.0 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 6.2 SRM
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs 5.0 oz
Sparge Water: 5.95 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F Tun Temperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 25.64 qt of water at 162.4 F 150.0 F 75 min

Sparge Step: Fly sparge with 5.95 gal water at 168.0 F
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Looks solid just make sure you have enough yeast and make sure it's happy throughout the fermentation and it will be tasty

So, did you brew this monster yet? Looks delicious. Let us know how it is going.

fab80 said:

So, did you brew this monster yet? Looks delicious. Let us know how it is going.

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I brewed it a week ago from last Friday...so about 9 days ago. I, unfortunately, undershot my OG by 6 points...ended up at 1.072 which isn't terrible but not what I wanted. I tried a sample when I took a gravity reading a couple days ago, and it was pretty good but really green. It's impossible to really gauge this beer accurately at this point. I'll crash to my keg this Friday and start dry hopping...at that point I might get a slightly better sample and let you all know how it's going. I figure I'm still about 3-4 weeks away from knowing how good this beer will be.

I brewed an IPA using only mosaic hops and it came out great. Kind of grapefruity, but I think it would work well as a summer ale. Gonna experiment with Mosaic and a couple different hops when I try my first AG brew.

I also brewed a test batch of Mosaic IPA, and although everything I read said it tasted like tropical fruit, it reminded me more of pink grapefruit. My next beer with be a Mosaic-only IPA.

Mosaic and Nelson Sauvin are both quire tasty. I used those two hops along with sorachi ace, motueka, and citra in a super fruity pale ale. That one will be going into a secondary with a dry hop soon. The wort tasted quite unlike any other wort I've tried. I expect good things. My concept was a sangria flavor inspired ale. Mosaic is super tropical, and to a slightly lesser degree, so is citra. I had read a lot about Sauvin being described as "white wine-like." I opted for sorachi ace and motueka for their lemon and lime qualities, so hopefully all that carries through. I'm really excited to try this one. It will get dry hopped with a blend of sorachi ace, nelson sauvin, motueka, and citra.

So, I took a gravity reading tonight before I placed my fermenter in the fridge for cold crashing. My gravity is 1.008, and it tastes awesome...extremely high in tropical fruit flavors, just like I wanted it to be. I'll cold crash to my keg on Friday and begin dry hopping for about 10-14 days...depends on how I'm feeling around the 10 day mark. After tasting tonight's sample, I'm even more excited about this beer than I was before.

Dry hopping away. I'll taste a sample again in a week and see how it's doing.

Done it....great aroma but weird flavor....kind of spicy

OK, I figured I owe you all an update on Richard Simmons DIPA. Holy shnikes!!! If you like fruit-juice-packed IPA's this is a recipe that you will appreciate. It's SUPER juicy on the hop profile, and the honey malt only adds to the juicy-sweet flavor (disclaimer: I borrowed the grain bill from the Kern River Citra recipe and just scaled it up a bit, so this recipe isn't 100% original). This is exactly what I was trying to accomplish, and I think it turned out great. If you like really bitter or really piney DIPA's then this isn't for you. But if you like DIPA's with tons of tropical fruit juice flavors then you'll probably like this. I'm diggin' it alot.

Dave1096 said:

OK, I figured I owe you all an update on Richard Simmons DIPA. Holy shnikes!!! If you like fruit-juice-packed IPA's this is a recipe that you will appreciate. It's SUPER juicy on the hop profile, and the honey malt only adds to the juicy-sweet flavor (disclaimer: I borrowed the grain bill from the Kern River Citra recipe and just scaled it up a bit, so this recipe isn't 100% original). This is exactly what I was trying to accomplish, and I think it turned out great. If you like really bitter or really piney DIPA's then this isn't for you. But if you like DIPA's with tons of tropical fruit juice flavors then you'll probably like this. I'm diggin' it alot.

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So glad that it turn out great! Mosaic is my new favorite hop, Citra is my all time favorite. Nelson is really interesting, I brewed a nicely hopped pale ale with it and it was great, but it's so unique that I can't see it paired with any other hops. It's time to give it a try. I am gonna brew this in a month or so but I will be doing partial mash since I can't go all grain in my apartment.

fab80 said:

So glad that it turn out great! Mosaic is my new favorite hop, Citra is my all time favorite. Nelson is really interesting, I brewed a nicely hopped pale ale with it and it was great, but it's so unique that I can't see it paired with any other hops. It's time to give it a try. I am gonna brew this in a month or so but I will be doing partial mash since I can't go all grain in my apartment.

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Awesome...I'm definitely excited to see what others on here think of this recipe. Funny thing is I don't get too much Nelson in this beer at all which kind of disappoints me a little bit. The Mosaic is definitely the strongest of the three hops and kind of steals the show. I was surprised because Nelson and Citra are pretty potent hops themselves.

Thanks for this. I am considering an amber with Sorachi and have been going every which way on combos. I am now considering trying this paired with Liberty and Centennial, then using Earl Grey tea late and DH for a tea like quality.
Haven't formulated a grain recipe yet but leaning towards

GP
Vienna
Honey
F-65II
120

Liberty FW, then Centennial and Sorachi through and through
Thoughts...

Cheers
Scott

Dave1096 said:

Awesome...I'm definitely excited to see what others on here think of this recipe. Funny thing is I don't get too much Nelson in this beer at all which kind of disappoints me a little bit. The Mosaic is definitely the strongest of the three hops and kind of steals the show. I was surprised because Nelson and Citra are pretty potent hops themselves.

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I finally brewed this one. I simplified the malt bill a lot using only half pound of crystal 15 and both light dry and liquid extract and 3/4 lb of corn sugar. Hop schedule was the same. OG = 1.074, FG = 1.014
Man, it's fruity!! I like a lot Citra and Nelson together, I have never brewed with them in the same beer, because I thought it wouldn't work, but they do play well together. Nelson reminds me of concord grapes A LOT! Citra reminds me of melon and peach. Mosaic is the best, tropical fruits a gogo!
It's still too young in the bottles to judge it properly, but this is the fruitiest beer I ever tried, for sure. Thanks Dave for the recipe!

I just bought a half pound of NS hops and was planning a Simcoe/Ns rye pa and imperial rye ipa. Looking at this, I might have to do a mosiac single hop pale to get a feel for the hop and consider using that somehow. Thanks for the recipe! Helps immensely when people post their results!

fab80 said:

I finally brewed this one. I simplified the malt bill a lot using only half pound of crystal 15 and both light dry and liquid extract and 3/4 lb of corn sugar. Hop schedule was the same. OG = 1.074, FG = 1.014
Man, it's fruity!! I like a lot Citra and Nelson together, I have never brewed with them in the same beer, because I thought it wouldn't work, but they do play well together. Nelson reminds me of concord grapes A LOT! Citra reminds me of melon and peach. Mosaic is the best, tropical fruits a gogo!
It's still too young in the bottles to judge it properly, but this is the fruitiest beer I ever tried, for sure. Thanks Dave for the recipe!

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I'm glad you brewed this...it's nice to get another HBTer's opinion. It was definitely the fruitiest tasting beer I have ever had...almost too much so. I liked it, but I wouldn't brew it again the same way.

First, I don't think it's necessary to have as many hop additions in the boil as I did...it was kind of a pain measuring out all those hops when I could probably just combine them all into 15, 10, and 5 minute additions...maybe some at flameout.

Second, I would probably substitute some of the Mosaic for some Simcoe, but that's just for personal preference.

Last, I would do a simple 7 day dry hop and call it good.

Let me know how yours turns out once it hits it comes into its own.

fab80 said:

I like a lot Citra and Nelson together, I have never brewed with them in the same beer, because I thought it wouldn't work, but they do play well together.

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One of my favorite IPAs I've brewed to date was a simple grain bill with mostly maris otter and a little bit of white wheat and rye and all Citra and Nelson hops. Those hops go great together.

Brewmex41 said:

I just bought a half pound of NS hops and was planning a Simcoe/Ns rye pa and imperial rye ipa. Looking at this, I might have to do a mosiac single hop pale to get a feel for the hop and consider using that somehow. Thanks for the recipe! Helps immensely when people post their results!

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I've never used Simcoe and NS together, but a Simcoe/NS rye pa or IIPA will probably turn out awesome.

Brewmex41 said:

I just bought a half pound of NS hops and was planning a Simcoe/Ns rye pa and imperial rye ipa. Looking at this, I might have to do a mosiac single hop pale to get a feel for the hop and consider using that somehow. Thanks for the recipe! Helps immensely when people post their results!

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I made a single hop Mosaic IIPA like 6 months ago and it was the best IIPA ever. I also made an APA and a Red Ale. All of them were delicious. Mosaic are very complex hops, they are piney, fruity, tropical, citrusy and dank, but in the best way. Also they always seem to change drastically over time. They are my favorite hops but still they are so complex that it's hard to figure out how to combine them with other hops. So far I've decided to use them in place of simcoe when formulating a recipe and they always worked great. Can't wait to the day I'll brew a Pliny "clone" that way!

Shoot I think my LHBS is outta mosaic. They're usually pretty good about updating their website and I don't see them. I guess I will have to make the drive over there. If I do I'm for sure gonna try a single hop test batch.

I stopped by today. They have plenty in stock so I picked up 2oz. I think I'll use Jamils Apa recipe and scale down to one or two gal batch size. I was thinking using magnum to bitter, then adding equal parts at 10, 5, flame out then dry hopping.

Just stumbled across this thread and decided to post since I'm brewing a Nelson Sauvin-Mosaic APA this weekend. I have 2 oz NS to which I'm adding 1 oz Mosaic split equally at 10 & 0 minute additions in 4 gallons. First time using NS. Thinking something like this:

APA (4 gal, 5% abv)
77% 2 Row
15% Wheat
5% Munich
3% C40
Warrior @ 60 to ~10 IBU
1oz NS + 0.5oz Mosaic @ 10 & 0
WY 1275 Thames Valley

rhys333 said:

Just stumbled across this thread and decided to post since I'm brewing a Nelson Sauvin-Mosaic APA this weekend. I have 2 oz NS to which I'm adding 1 oz Mosaic split equally at 10 & 0 minute additions in 4 gallons. First time using NS. Thinking something like this:

APA (4 gal, 5% abv)
77% 2 Row
15% Wheat
5% Munich
3% C40
Warrior @ 60 to ~10 IBU
1oz NS + 0.5oz Mosaic @ 10 & 0
WY 1275 Thames Valley

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Let us know how it turns out

Dave1096 said:

Let us know how it turns out

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Will do. Its still in primary but what I can say so far is that NS is really aromatic. The hop aroma literally fills the basement. Never had that before.

I had a commercial Nelson IPA that was dry hopped with Mosaic and it was unreal. Seriously one of the best beers I've ever had. Those hops do pair well together.

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Will do. Its still in primary but what I can say so far is that NS is really aromatic. The hop aroma literally fills the basement. Never had that before.

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can we get an update? filling up my cart with ingredients!

mwsenoj said:

can we get an update? filling up my cart with ingredients!

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Sure, sorry I forgot to report back. It was decent but not mindblowing. The NS hops came across well enough (kinda citrusy) but not really all that unique. Domestic C hops do the same for less money. The mosaic is more interesting and IMHO. That said, I got my NS hops from my LHBS and they store them in a clear glass refrigerator. I find the hops from there can lose some character due to light exposure. I'd be tempted to use centennial or citra with the mosaic next time. Currently have a mosaic/chinook IPA on the go. Will be interesting to see how this combo works out.