New recipe. IPA - Got some Simcoe

Hi

I've got 100grams of simcoe and deciding what to do with it. I can't get amarillo or citra, would have liked to use them.

Thinking of doing something like this:

American IPA

Batch Size 23.00 l

Ingredients

5.000 kg Pale Malt (SA) (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 64.9 %
0.800 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 10.4 %
0.700 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 3 9.1 %
0.700 kg Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 4 9.1 %
0.500 kg Caramunich III (Weyermann) (71.0 SRM) Grain 5 6.5 %
23.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 31.5 IBUs
20.00 g Cascade [6.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 10.5 IBUs
15.00 g Cascade [6.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 5.1 IBUs
15.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 10.2 IBUs
30.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 8.2 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 12 -
30.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
15.00 g Cascade [6.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.061 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.4 %
Bitterness: 65.6 IBUs
Est Color: 11.8 SRM


Any thoughts?

I'm not very good with "grams" and kgs, but I'd cut the carapils. With the caramunich, you don't need it plus it's 10% of the grainbill.

I'd move the 30 minute cascade addition to later in the boil- to 5 minutes or flame out, to blend with the simcoe, and simply increase the chinook for bittering to replace the IBUs given by the cascade.

thanks Yooper..!

I based the grain bill on the Sacred Summit Pale Ale which i really enjoyed. I used 2.3% caramunich III for that one. I thought that it could be a little sweeter though. That's why I upped the Caramunich III to 6.5%

From my (limited) understanding, i thought that the Cara Pils doesn't contribute to sweetness, but only to head retention and body... That's why i included the 10%.

I thought it wouldn't contribute to the sweetness added by the Cara Munich - i therefore only included it for the head retention and body...

Can anyone clear that up?

The other thing, I've used Cascade quite a lot, so i know what that tastes like.

I added the 30min addition thinking that it would help provide a little more of a smoother bitterness.

I wanted the simcoe to stand out more - I've never used it before.

Simcoe is nearly 3 times the price of Cascade here in South Africa...!

IMO forget the cascade and replace it with amarillo....outstanding when paired together

bozizle said:

IMO forget the cascade and replace it with amarillo....outstanding when paired together

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Well, yes, I agree. Except the first line of his post is "I can't get amarillo".

bozizle said:

IMO forget the cascade and replace it with amarillo....outstanding when paired together

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I've heard that, but impossible to get it here.

These are pretty much the only American style hops i can get:

http://beerguevara.com/category/brew-ingredients/hops/american-hops/

Actually.... I just found a local supplier who has some Amarillo

They have previously ALWAYS been out of stock.

Busy placing an order!

dylanphelan said:

Actually.... I just found a local supplier who has some Amarillo

They have previously ALWAYS been out of stock.

Busy placing an order!

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Oh, amarillo and simcoe together are awesome- definitely my favorite combination of hops. :rockin:

bought myself 400grams Amarillo and a malt mill while i was busy

Will adjust this recipe and re-post.

something like this?

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6.000 kg Pale Malt (SA) (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.9 %
0.700 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.9 %
0.700 kg Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 3 8.9 %
0.500 kg Caramunich III (Weyermann) (71.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.3 %
18.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 24.3 IBUs
20.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 8.8 IBUs
20.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 13.4 IBUs
30.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 8 5.3 IBUs
30.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 8.1 IBUs
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 12 -
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

@Yooper - can you elaborate on why you so to drop the cara pils (as i did).

does it only add head and body, or does it add sweetness?

will the other malts add enough head and body?

For body and head retention, I have found that flaked barley works better. It can make your beer a little cloudy, but I have never ha d a problem with that despite the fact that I don't filter my beer. It just needs to cold condition a little longer.

I find that if I follow procedures carefully, head retention isn't a problem either. When I do have a problems, it's usually because I did something wrong.


Take that carapils!

dylanphelan said:

@Yooper - can you elaborate on why you so to drop the cara pils (as i did).

does it only add head and body, or does it add sweetness?

will the other malts add enough head and body?

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Can anybody explain this to me??

do you think that's enough late addition hops?

I have a bit more available now.

I've got 150g simcoe and 400g amarillo

I took Yoopers advice and dropped the carapils.
I ended up brewing it like this. Do you think this is enough of a dry hop addition?I have enough to add more..!!!

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6.000 kg Pale Malt (SA) (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.9 %
0.700 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.9 %
0.700 kg Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 3 8.9 %
0.500 kg Caramunich III (Weyermann) (71.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.3 %
18.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 24.3 IBUs
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 11.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 16.8 IBUs
30.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 8 5.3 IBUs
30.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 8.1 IBUs
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 12 -
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.063 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.063 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.6 %
Bitterness: 65.4 IBUs
Est Color: 11.8 SRM

This seems to have finished at 1.016

Is that too high?

Should i pitch more yeast?

When did you brew? Anytime I've used that yeast, it finishes at 1.012.

I brewed 10 days ago. Pitched quite a lot of yeast (re-used yeast).

OG was around 1.063/64

I need to hurry it along though, has to be bottled and ready by 20 April.

What was your mash temp? I have used S-05 and had it finish around 1.015-1.017 when I mashed a little higher.

I mashed a bit higher than normal, or let's say i managed to maintain a slightly higher mash temp than i normally do.

Around 66.5 to 67.5 Celcius.

Previously my mash temps dropped quite a bit lower and i ended up with an FG of 1.010

Perhaps it is done. I would wait another week (if you can) to be sure.

inthesound said:

Perhaps it is done. I would wait another week (if you can) to be sure.

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yeah, I think it's done... i dry hopped it just now. Going to give that a few days then bottle.

Want to enter it in a comp on 20 april, so need to get it in the bottle asap.

I am going to be brewing my 3rd variation of this. I took the first one along to a home brew festival and it was quite a hit.

we drank it all after 3 weeks in the bottle, so I didn't get to taste it after a little more conditioning.

My tasting note on the original recipe:

• I would have liked a bit more upfront hop flavour.
• I think the simcoe pungent musky aromas came through a little too much.
• A bit too much malty / bready kind of flavours and mouthfeel - I think that was from the 8.9% Munich.

Original recipe

dylanphelan said:

6.000 kg Pale Malt (SA) (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.9 %
0.700 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.9 %
0.700 kg Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 3 8.9 %
0.500 kg Caramunich III (Weyermann) (71.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.3 %
18.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 24.3 IBUs
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 11.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 16.8 IBUs
30.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 8 5.3 IBUs
30.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 8.1 IBUs
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 12 -
25.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.063 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.063 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.6 %
Bitterness: 65.4 IBUs
Est Color: 11.8 SRM

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My revised recipe:

• Added 10 min hop additions
• reduced simcoe dry hop and increased amarillo
• reduced munich %
• reduced caramunich III %
• added 2.5% wheat malt
• different yeast - just because i have a slurry

Major changes in red

6.20 kg Pale Malt (5.0 EBC) Grain 1 76.5 %
0.70 kg Vienna Malt (6.9 EBC) Grain 2 8.6 %
0.35 kg Caramunich III (Weyermann) (139.9 EBC) Grain 3 4.5 %
0.50 kg Munich Malt (17.7 EBC) Grain 4 6.2 %
0.20 kg White Wheat Malt (4.7 EBC) Grain 5 2.5 %
8 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 10.5 IBUs
25 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 10.6 IBUs
25 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 16.3 IBUs
25 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 7.8 IBUs
25 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 11.9 IBUs
30 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 5.1 IBUs
30 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 7.8 IBUs
25 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
25 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35.49 ml] Yeast 15 -
30 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
15 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 17 0.0 IBUs

I'd like to emphasize the dry hop a bit more. I have some citra on hand - do you think i should add some or rather go with more amarillo and simcoe - possibly do a 3 day dry hop as well?

any other thoughts?

want to brew this later today!!

Any input? I am brewing this recipe later today.

Considering adding some Citra or Centennial