No Citra? or Simcoe? Zythos

well just the other day ran to the HB shop to make a IPA with citra backup hop was simcoe and couldn't get either. went with Zythos there IPA hop blend replacement. it turned out awsome!

Zythonian IPA
American IPA


Type: All Grain
Date: 2/14/2012
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Brewer: Beau
Boil Size: 5.72 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
10.00 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 81.63 %
1.00 lb Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM) Grain 8.16 %
0.75 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 6.12 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4.08 %
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 40.9 IBU
0.50 oz Zythos [10.50 %] (30 min) Hops 12.7 IBU
0.50 oz Zythos [10.50 %] (25 min) Hops 11.5 IBU
1.00 oz Zythos [10.50 %] (20 min) Hops 20.0 IBU
1.00 oz Zythos [10.50 %] (10 min) Hops 12.0 IBU
1.00 oz Zythos [10.50 %] (5 min) Hops 6.6 IBU
1.00 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1.00 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Primary 3.0 days) Misc
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) Yeast-Ale



Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body Total Grain Weight: 12.25 lb
Sparge Water: 1.22 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Medium Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 3.83 gal of water at 165.9 F 154.0 F
10 min Mash Out Add 2.14 gal of water at 196.6 F 168.0 F



Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Corn Sugar Volumes of CO2: 2.4
Pressure/Weight: 3.8 oz Carbonation Used: -
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 60.0 F Age for: 28.0 days
Storage Temperature: 52.0 F

Any one else try using this hop?

Haven't tried it yet, but good to know. I'm always looking for a substitute for those hops.

Thanks

I just got a pound of Zythos in today and was looking for a mostly Zythos recipe to give the hops a taste.

Did you dry hop this batch at all?

Sounds yummy... may try it this weekend!

Just dry-hopped my 100% Brett IPA with Zythos. Curious to see how it turns out!

Also curious to hear how this turned out!

Ritebrew.com has ounces of citra, simcoe, centennial, and Amarillo at reasonable prices.

I did an IPA with all Zythos from 20 on in including dry hop. Mine is very peach, pear, apple kinda fruity. It's not the dank hops I thought it would be. Not sure if I'm into it. I'll use them up in a wheat or Belgian I guess. Not bad just not what I thought. I'd love to know what hops and % the mix is.

I did a zythos pale a few months back and didn't get anything like citra or simcoe. Its a nice blend of hops that lends a firm bitterness and 'hoppy beer' flavor but has none of the standout characteristics of citra or simcoe. You might try falconers' flight next time instead. FF has more citra/simcoe flavors and is, when compared to zythos, a way more interesting hop blend.

sivdrinks said:

I did an IPA with all Zythos from 20 on in including dry hop. Mine is very peach, pear, apple kinda fruity. It's not the dank hops I thought it would be. Not sure if I'm into it. I'll use them up in a wheat or Belgian I guess. Not bad just not what I thought. I'd love to know what hops and % the mix is.

Click to expand...

Me too! I felt like my APA was an estery mess. Do you have your recipe handy?

adc123 said:

Me too! I felt like my APA was an estery mess. Do you have your recipe handy?

Click to expand...

http://hopville.com/recipe/1199616/imperial-ipa-recipes/the-kraken

I decided I get watermelon too. For me Citra is peachy and kinda not at all funky, I assume Zythos is heavy Citra.

I don't think it can be too much citra as it would defeat the purpose of an economical blend.

I think the bulk of the hop is a new hop but with some of the old favorites thrown in to round out the flavor. However, it doesn't seem to pack too much of a punch, at least in a pale ale. Perhaps more ABV and some dry hopping in my recipe would make it better, but Zythos wasn't cutting it all by itself.

adc123 said:

I don't think it can be too much citra as it would defeat the purpose of an economical blend.

I think the bulk of the hop is a new hop but with some of the old favorites thrown in to round out the flavor. However, it doesn't seem to pack too much of a punch, at least in a pale ale. Perhaps more ABV and some dry hopping in my recipe would make it better, but Zythos wasn't cutting it all by itself.

Click to expand...

I used zythos as the "only" hop in a pale wheat ale and was seriously underwhelmed... I preferred the same malt bill with citra and amarillo that I had done previously by far

The stone fruit aromas with Zythos I get would probably go well with a fruity english strain. It would at least reinforce the yeast's ester profile.

I had planned an APA with all Zythos, but after reading that others were underwhelmed with the aroma of Zythos, I decided a divide one ounce .5oz as a FWH, and .5oz at 2 minute boil in a APA recipe this weekend. Here are the basics...

10 lbs 2 row
1 lbs torrified wheat
1 lbs 40L Crystal

.5 Amarillio FWH
.5 oz Cascade FWH
.5 oz Zythos FWH
1 oz Centennial 60
.5 oz Amarillo 2
.5 oz Cascade 2
.5 oz Zythos 2

I plan to dry hop with 1 oz Cascade and 1 oz Amarillo.

I will post my impressions once it is ready.

FWIW, I have brewed a similar recipe using Falconers as the only FWH and also the only dry hop and it was delicious.