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Old 11-21-2012, 07:23 PM   #1
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I built a small carbonator pretty much exactly like the one in this video.

I fill a liter or liter and a half bottle with as cold as possible water, leave about an inch or two of space at the top, squeeze out all of the air, then put on the bike valve cap and charge it, shake it, and repeat until it stays firm. Thing is it seems even charging it this way my seltzer does not get half as carbonated as the store bought stuff, and seems to go flat rather quickly, especially if I mix in some home made soda syrup... Can anyone give me some tips to help? What am I doing whrong? I know it has enough pressure, infact probably to much since the paintball regulator doesnt even have a mark for below 100psi.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:49 PM   #2
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Im no expert in this area but I wonder if once the bottle was completely filed with CO2, f you let it sit for a little while if that wouldn't force more CO2 into the liquid. I only say that because with my experience with yeast carbonation the longer it sits, the more CO2 the yeast produces and the more it gets infused into the liquid. I would try it out. Fill one bottle and drink it right away then fill another and let it sit for.....maybe an hour and see if there is any difference.

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Old 11-21-2012, 08:11 PM   #3
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yeah I am actually trying that right now, I did the charging technique and charged it one last time and now have it sitting in the minifridge.

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Old 11-23-2012, 03:27 PM   #4
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How did it turn out? I'm looking into this setup

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Old 11-23-2012, 05:24 PM   #5
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Would it not be better to put the syrup in first then carbonate. Im looking into a similar system but i think alot of people recomend filling 2/3 full then putting it in the freezer first to get good and cold. Then of course squeeze out the air and shake the hell out of it while the gas is on. Then in the fridge for 24 hours.

alternately you could just leave the gas on for 24 hours and put the whole rig in the fridge. maybe use a 2L bottle.

Finally have you considered a leak? Maybe a plastic bottle cap just cant take 100psi?

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I highly suspect the MM carbonating cap (as shown in the video) is leaking. Even a slow leak (not detected) will drop the carbonation level to what you're talking about. Also, as you pour from the bottle, you'll want/need to add more CO2 to it or you'll lose carbonation. Even when kept in the fridge, this will happen.

They make actual caps to go onto soda bottles that allows you to use a ball lock QD on them. Use an actual regulator (even one made to go onto paintball gun bottles) and you'll get a better result. If you burst/rapid force carbonate it, I'd be very careful. Keep in mind, soda is normally carbonated MUCH higher than beer. Using ~30psi for soda (serving) is pretty common.

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Well i wouldn't imagine that it leaking would matter considering I am force carbonating it by charging it and shaking it, also i sealed around the valve stem. The other day I mixed together some water and soda stream root beer syrup (their syrup is terrible btw, used it just for testing) cooled it in the freezer then charged it and shook, repeated until it stayed firm, then set it in the minifridge, which I have set very cold, for about an hour and tried it out. It seemed satisfactory, still not quite as fizzy as storebought but definitely not flat. So maybe I should just mix it before hand, charge it, then let it sit.

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Well i wouldn't imagine that it leaking would matter considering I am force carbonating it by charging it and shaking it, also i sealed around the valve stem. The other day I mixed together some water and soda stream root beer syrup (their syrup is terrible btw, used it just for testing) cooled it in the freezer then charged it and shook, repeated until it stayed firm, then set it in the minifridge, which I have set very cold, for about an hour and tried it out. It seemed satisfactory, still not quite as fizzy as storebought but definitely not flat. So maybe I should just mix it before hand, charge it, then let it sit.
How much CO2 pressure did you use??? 10-15psi will be seriously under carbonated for soda, but can be fine for beer.
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oh also because the paintball regulator is not able to get the psi much lower than maybe 80, I dont think it would be able to simply leave it connected, with the valve stem and tire chuck set up I pretty much charge it by quickly pushing the ends together for a split second and then the bottle is solid, I shake it and repeat until the bottle remains solid.

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Could you connect a co2 tank regulator? Then you could regulate it more appropriately. If you perfect this method I'll definitely be making this setup. I don't have enough room for a keg and tank.

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