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CEMaine · 09-03-2009, 01:38 AM

You guys have solved my conundrum.

I have been growing Willamette for a few years with moderate (2 or 3 oz dried) results. Last year I founds 3 Cascade plants which I grew in pots with good results.
I had the chance to visit family in Portland OR last year and took the opportunity to drive through hops country in the Willamette. It inspired me to build a much more dedicated hops yard.
So, my yield, especially the Cascades was AWESOME. I decided to do a fresh hop ale. The Recipe:

Harvest Ale 2009
American Pale Ale

Type: All Grain
Date: 8/23/2009

Batch Size: 5.75 gal
Brewer: Darren McLellan
Boil Size: 6.92 gal
Boil Time: 90 min

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
9.75 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 76.47 %
2.50 lb Caramel Malt - 10L (Briess) (10.0 SRM) Grain 19.61 %
0.50 lb Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.92 %
1.25 oz Cascade (Fresh) [1.00 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop)
1.25 oz Williamette (Fresh) [0.95 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop)
0.13 oz Cascade (Fresh) [4.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days)
0.50 oz Williamette (Fresh) [4.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days)
2.00 oz Cascade (Fresh) [1.10 %] (60 min)
1.50 oz Cascade (Fresh) [1.10 %] (40 min)
1.00 oz Williamette (Fresh) [0.95 %] (15 min)
0.50 oz Cascade (Fresh) [1.10 %] (5 min)
1.00 oz Williamette (Fresh) [4.80 %] (5 min)
2 Pkgs Safale US-05 (DCL Yeast #US-05) [Starter 50 ml]

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.049 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.045 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.56 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.17 %
Bitterness: 23.5 IBU Calories: 200 cal/pint
Est Color: 7.0 SRM Color:

Mash Profile
Single Infusion, Full Body, No Mash Out Total Grain Weight: 12.75 lb

So, as I am brewing, I am sampling and the bittering is no where. I kept adding hops until I had, as one can see, over a half pound of wet hops in 5 gallons! After primary, there is still a lack of hopiness.

This thread solves my conundrum. Using the 5 to 1 ratio I have about .80 oz of dried hops in the whole brew. At this point, I sure hope the dry hopping, with dried hops from this years harvest, will give it a nice finished hop aroma.

Time will tell...

cuinrearview · 09-03-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CEMaine

You guys have solved my conundrum.I have been growing Willamette for a few years with moderate (2 or 3 oz dried) results. Last year I founds 3 Cascade plants which I grew in pots with good results.I had the chance to visit family in Portland OR last year and took the opportunity to drive through hops country in the Willamette. It inspired me to build a much more dedicated hops yard.So, my yield, especially the Cascades was AWESOME. I decided to do a fresh hop ale. The Recipe:Harvest Ale 2009American Pale Ale*Type: All Grain*Date: 8/23/2009Batch Size: 5.75 gal*Brewer: Darren McLellanBoil Size: 6.92 galBoil Time: 90 min IngredientsAmount *Item *Type *% or IBU9.75 lb *Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) *Grain *76.47 %2.50 lb *Caramel Malt - 10L (Briess) (10.0 SRM) *Grain *19.61 %0.50 lb *Carafoam (2.0 SRM) *Grain *3.92 %1.25 oz *Cascade (Fresh) [1.00 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop)1.25 oz *Williamette (Fresh) [0.95 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop)0.13 oz *Cascade (Fresh) [4.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days)0.50 oz *Williamette (Fresh) [4.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days)2.00 oz *Cascade (Fresh) [1.10 %] (60 min)1.50 oz *Cascade (Fresh) [1.10 %] (40 min)1.00 oz *Williamette (Fresh) [0.95 %] (15 min)0.50 oz *Cascade (Fresh) [1.10 %] (5 min)1.00 oz *Williamette (Fresh) [4.80 %] (5 min)2 Pkgs *Safale US-05 (DCL Yeast #US-05) [Starter 50 ml] **Beer ProfileEst Original Gravity: 1.049 SGMeasured Original Gravity: 1.045 SGEst Final Gravity: 1.014 SG *Measured Final Gravity: 1.013 SGEstimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.56 % *Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.17 %Bitterness: 23.5 IBU *Calories: 200 cal/pintEst Color: 7.0 SRM *Color:Mash ProfileSingle Infusion, Full Body, No Mash Out *Total Grain Weight: 12.75 lb*So, as I am brewing, I am sampling and the bittering is no where. I kept adding hops until I had, as one can see, over a half pound of wet hops in 5 gallons! After primary, there is still a lack of hopiness.This thread solves my conundrum. Using the 5 to 1 ratio I have about .80 oz of dried hops in the whole brew. At this point, I sure hope the dry hopping, with dried hops from this years harvest, will give it a nice finished hop aroma.Time will tell...

Another option is to look for wild hops locally.* Drive the back roads, use craigslist, and talk to local farmers.* There should be some wild hops to be found where you are and could be dried before you need to dry hop your PA.