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rudds67 06-05-2012 03:59 PM

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As for types...I hav 650 sterling, 550 nugget, 300 cascade, 250 williaimette, 100 perle, 55 centenials and 100 columbus.... this year is just the trial year of the types of hops...then next year I get serous. .. most likely will be growing only the types of hops used for the craft brew markets... but I travel 3 months out of the year so now in my travels I will focus on collecting hop varieties from all over the world and create some sort of world hop yard...


rudds67 06-05-2012 03:59 PM

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As for types...I hav 650 sterling, 550 nugget, 300 cascade, 250 williaimette, 100 perle, 55 centenials and 100 columbus.... this year is just the trial year of the types of hops...then next year I get serous. .. most likely will be growing only the types of hops used for the craft brew markets... but I travel 3 months out of the year so now in my travels I will focus on collecting hop varieties from all over the world and create some sort of world hop yard...


rudds67 06-05-2012 03:59 PM

5 Attachment(s)

As for types...I hav 650 sterling, 550 nugget, 300 cascade, 250 williaimette, 100 perle, 55 centenials and 100 columbus.... this year is just the trial year of the types of hops...then next year I get serous. .. most likely will be growing only the types of hops used for the craft brew markets... but I travel 3 months out of the year so now in my travels I will focus on collecting hop varieties from all over the world and create some sort of world hop yard...


rudds67 06-05-2012 03:59 PM

5 Attachment(s)

As for types...I hav 650 sterling, 550 nugget, 300 cascade, 250 williaimette, 100 perle, 55 centenials and 100 columbus.... this year is just the trial year of the types of hops...then next year I get serous. .. most likely will be growing only the types of hops used for the craft brew markets... but I travel 3 months out of the year so now in my travels I will focus on collecting hop varieties from all over the world and create some sort of world hop yard...


rudds67 06-05-2012 03:59 PM

5 Attachment(s)

As for types...I hav 650 sterling, 550 nugget, 300 cascade, 250 williaimette, 100 perle, 55 centenials and 100 columbus.... this year is just the trial year of the types of hops...then next year I get serous. .. most likely will be growing only the types of hops used for the craft brew markets... but I travel 3 months out of the year so now in my travels I will focus on collecting hop varieties from all over the world and create some sort of world hop yard...


rudds67 06-08-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GVH_Dan View Post
Just some more, we found 16 feet above the ground about right. almost 90% of your harvest is in the top 6 feet so if you are under that you risk reducing your harvest. On the other end, going above 16 feet becomes a much longer payback because of the extra costs to get up there.
Ahh. 16 feet sounds a lot easier then 18... hav u gone 18 feet? I guess 2 feet isn't much of a change..and yes the top 1/3 of the plant is yr most production... when things are up I will be rasing lambs in the hop fields...free mowing! Plus they will eat everything 4 feet and below the bines..so it saves on labor....

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Originally Posted by GoodRatsBrew View Post
I have extensive training in propagation techniques ( plus i have been to horticulture college) and thru doing a few trials test first, i will be able to clone these plants in the 1000's..

LMAO
So exactly how much weed did you grow in college?!?!
Haha....was wondering when some one was going to catch that.. hmm well now u mention it...probly more then everyone in this forum combined.. .if u go just on numbers...was working out west at a. Friends dispensary and I did the cloning...working with aeroponics we would clone 500 plants at a time like it was cake.i.. I have done upwards of over 15,000 maybe into the 20K range..I lost count...but that was a few years ago...

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Originally Posted by Bierliebhaber View Post
Very cool Rudds (and the rest who are producers of lupulin love). Just a thought on your hop production. How did you determine the quantities for each variety? Was it demand, availability, projected yield? The reason I ask is that Sterling and Centennial fetch some of the highest prices per oz. around here, but the other varieties go for much less. Willamette is actually dirt cheap. I see that you are starting with a large percentage of Sterling, which makes sense, but I'm curious on the lower amount of Centennial. I figured centennial would be one to grow a lot of, as it sells for more, is a popular hop, and can be used in bittering, flavor/aroma, and dry hopping (i.e. more applications = more consumption). I'm not informed on the hop availability, demand, and pricing on the east coast, though.
U hit the nail on the donkey...! Availability..... however I had. A little choice They only had that much cascade left...soo 300 was it...and didn't even had centennial so I sourced the remaining stock from. Another farm.... I will be focusing my cloning efforts this year on getting my numbers up. For cascade, centennial, pearl ,willaimette and more sterling... funny u should ask. There's always a story for everything..lol. I chose Willaimette because the rihzomes came from 20 year old vines ..(meaning huge seed stocks) easiest to grow for first time grower is the others mess up. plus it was a cool sounding lname , u can't find them around here, people are growing fuggle (which I don't like) and this is a old school cross..that has slight citris note in it and a spicy woody aroma....u can use this as a dual purpose hop. Great for apas, ipas and dark beers...brewing this hop with cascade I herd was borderline life changing... cant wait...

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Originally Posted by PariahVineyard View Post
Can yocu leave them in those pots over winter without having cold injury?
Yes u can..the hops have to have a cold conditioning over winter to grow the following spring...when I get my greenhouse up I may if I'm still in town keep some in pots. And condition them for a month or 2 then bring a few 100 in the greenhouse to start growing as cloning stock for the following year...will use. MH and LEDs to extend the daylight house to keep the plants vegging all winter long..

rudds67 06-08-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GVH_Dan View Post
Just some more, we found 16 feet above the ground about right. almost 90% of your harvest is in the top 6 feet so if you are under that you risk reducing your harvest. On the other end, going above 16 feet becomes a much longer payback because of the extra costs to get up there.
Ahh. 16 feet sounds a lot easier then 18... hav u gone 18 feet? I guess 2 feet isn't much of a change..and yes the top 1/3 of the plant is yr most production... when things are up I will be rasing lambs in the hop fields...free mowing! Plus they will eat everything 4 feet and below the bines..so it saves on labor....

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Originally Posted by GoodRatsBrew View Post
I have extensive training in propagation techniques ( plus i have been to horticulture college) and thru doing a few trials test first, i will be able to clone these plants in the 1000's..

LMAO
So exactly how much weed did you grow in college?!?!
Haha....was wondering when some one was going to catch that.. hmm well now u mention it...probly more then everyone in this forum combined.. .if u go just on numbers...was working out west at a. Friends dispensary and I did the cloning...working with aeroponics we would clone 500 plants at a time like it was cake.i.. I have done upwards of over 15,000 maybe into the 20K range..I lost count...but that was a few years ago...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bierliebhaber View Post
Very cool Rudds (and the rest who are producers of lupulin love). Just a thought on your hop production. How did you determine the quantities for each variety? Was it demand, availability, projected yield? The reason I ask is that Sterling and Centennial fetch some of the highest prices per oz. around here, but the other varieties go for much less. Willamette is actually dirt cheap. I see that you are starting with a large percentage of Sterling, which makes sense, but I'm curious on the lower amount of Centennial. I figured centennial would be one to grow a lot of, as it sells for more, is a popular hop, and can be used in bittering, flavor/aroma, and dry hopping (i.e. more applications = more consumption). I'm not informed on the hop availability, demand, and pricing on the east coast, though.
U hit the nail on the donkey...! Availability..... however I had. A little choice They only had that much cascade left...soo 300 was it...and didn't even had centennial so I sourced the remaining stock from. Another farm.... I will be focusing my cloning efforts this year on getting my numbers up. For cascade, centennial, pearl ,willaimette and more sterling... funny u should ask. There's always a story for everything..lol. I chose Willaimette because the rihzomes came from 20 year old vines ..(meaning huge seed stocks) easiest to grow for first time grower is the others mess up. plus it was a cool sounding lname , u can't find them around here, people are growing fuggle (which I don't like) and this is a old school cross..that has slight citris note in it and a spicy woody aroma....u can use this as a dual purpose hop. Great for apas, ipas and dark beers...brewing this hop with cascade I herd was borderline life changing... cant wait...

Quote:
Originally Posted by PariahVineyard View Post
Can yocu leave them in those pots over winter without having cold injury?
Yes u can..the hops have to have a cold conditioning over winter to grow the following spring...when I get my greenhouse up I may if I'm still in town keep some in pots. And condition them for a month or 2 then bring a few 100 in the greenhouse to start growing as cloning stock for the following year...will use. MH and LEDs to extend the daylight house to keep the plants vegging all winter long..

rudds67 06-08-2012 05:13 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GVH_Dan View Post
Just some more, we found 16 feet above the ground about right. almost 90% of your harvest is in the top 6 feet so if you are under that you risk reducing your harvest. On the other end, going above 16 feet becomes a much longer payback because of the extra costs to get up there.
Ahh. 16 feet sounds a lot easier then 18... hav u gone 18 feet? I guess 2 feet isn't much of a change..and yes the top 1/3 of the plant is yr most production... when things are up I will be rasing lambs in the hop fields...free mowing! Plus they will eat everything 4 feet and below the bines..so it saves on labor....

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodRatsBrew View Post
I have extensive training in propagation techniques ( plus i have been to horticulture college) and thru doing a few trials test first, i will be able to clone these plants in the 1000's..

LMAO
So exactly how much weed did you grow in college?!?!
Haha....was wondering when some one was going to catch that.. hmm well now u mention it...probly more then everyone in this forum combined.. .if u go just on numbers...was working out west at a. Friends dispensary and I did the cloning...working with aeroponics we would clone 500 plants at a time like it was cake.i.. I have done upwards of over 15,000 maybe into the 20K range..I lost count...but that was a few years ago...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bierliebhaber View Post
Very cool Rudds (and the rest who are producers of lupulin love). Just a thought on your hop production. How did you determine the quantities for each variety? Was it demand, availability, projected yield? The reason I ask is that Sterling and Centennial fetch some of the highest prices per oz. around here, but the other varieties go for much less. Willamette is actually dirt cheap. I see that you are starting with a large percentage of Sterling, which makes sense, but I'm curious on the lower amount of Centennial. I figured centennial would be one to grow a lot of, as it sells for more, is a popular hop, and can be used in bittering, flavor/aroma, and dry hopping (i.e. more applications = more consumption). I'm not informed on the hop availability, demand, and pricing on the east coast, though.
U hit the nail on the donkey...! Availability..... however I had. A little choice They only had that much cascade left...soo 300 was it...and didn't even had centennial so I sourced the remaining stock from. Another farm.... I will be focusing my cloning efforts this year on getting my numbers up. For cascade, centennial, pearl ,willaimette and more sterling... funny u should ask. There's always a story for everything..lol. I chose Willaimette because the rihzomes came from 20 year old vines ..(meaning huge seed stocks) easiest to grow for first time grower is the others mess up. plus it was a cool sounding lname , u can't find them around here, people are growing fuggle (which I don't like) and this is a old school cross..that has slight citris note in it and a spicy woody aroma....u can use this as a dual purpose hop. Great for apas, ipas and dark beers...brewing this hop with cascade I herd was borderline life changing... cant wait...

Quote:
Originally Posted by PariahVineyard View Post
Can yocu leave them in those pots over winter without having cold injury?
Yes u can..the hops have to have a cold conditioning over winter to grow the following spring...when I get my greenhouse up I may if I'm still in town keep some in pots. And condition them for a month or 2 then bring a few 100 in the greenhouse to start growing as cloning stock for the following year...will use. MH and LEDs to extend the daylight house to keep the plants vegging all winter long..

rudds67 06-08-2012 05:13 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GVH_Dan View Post
Just some more, we found 16 feet above the ground about right. almost 90% of your harvest is in the top 6 feet so if you are under that you risk reducing your harvest. On the other end, going above 16 feet becomes a much longer payback because of the extra costs to get up there.
Ahh. 16 feet sounds a lot easier then 18... hav u gone 18 feet? I guess 2 feet isn't much of a change..and yes the top 1/3 of the plant is yr most production... when things are up I will be rasing lambs in the hop fields...free mowing! Plus they will eat everything 4 feet and below the bines..so it saves on labor....

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodRatsBrew View Post
I have extensive training in propagation techniques ( plus i have been to horticulture college) and thru doing a few trials test first, i will be able to clone these plants in the 1000's..

LMAO
So exactly how much weed did you grow in college?!?!
Haha....was wondering when some one was going to catch that.. hmm well now u mention it...probly more then everyone in this forum combined.. .if u go just on numbers...was working out west at a. Friends dispensary and I did the cloning...working with aeroponics we would clone 500 plants at a time like it was cake.i.. I have done upwards of over 15,000 maybe into the 20K range..I lost count...but that was a few years ago...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bierliebhaber View Post
Very cool Rudds (and the rest who are producers of lupulin love). Just a thought on your hop production. How did you determine the quantities for each variety? Was it demand, availability, projected yield? The reason I ask is that Sterling and Centennial fetch some of the highest prices per oz. around here, but the other varieties go for much less. Willamette is actually dirt cheap. I see that you are starting with a large percentage of Sterling, which makes sense, but I'm curious on the lower amount of Centennial. I figured centennial would be one to grow a lot of, as it sells for more, is a popular hop, and can be used in bittering, flavor/aroma, and dry hopping (i.e. more applications = more consumption). I'm not informed on the hop availability, demand, and pricing on the east coast, though.
U hit the nail on the donkey...! Availability..... however I had. A little choice They only had that much cascade left...soo 300 was it...and didn't even had centennial so I sourced the remaining stock from. Another farm.... I will be focusing my cloning efforts this year on getting my numbers up. For cascade, centennial, pearl ,willaimette and more sterling... funny u should ask. There's always a story for everything..lol. I chose Willaimette because the rihzomes came from 20 year old vines ..(meaning huge seed stocks) easiest to grow for first time grower is the others mess up. plus it was a cool sounding lname , u can't find them around here, people are growing fuggle (which I don't like) and this is a old school cross..that has slight citris note in it and a spicy woody aroma....u can use this as a dual purpose hop. Great for apas, ipas and dark beers...brewing this hop with cascade I herd was borderline life changing... cant wait...

Quote:
Originally Posted by PariahVineyard View Post
Can yocu leave them in those pots over winter without having cold injury?
Yes u can..the hops have to have a cold conditioning over winter to grow the following spring...when I get my greenhouse up I may if I'm still in town keep some in pots. And condition them for a month or 2 then bring a few 100 in the greenhouse to start growing as cloning stock for the following year...will use. MH and LEDs to extend the daylight house to keep the plants vegging all winter long..

Hopfarmer 06-19-2012 06:44 PM

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