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Old 06-25-2013, 01:48 PM   #1
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Default Are My Plants Typical for first year rhizomes?

I've got three vines: Nugget, Cascades, and Brewers Gold. The Nugget and Cascades were planted April 1st, the Brewers Gold (which has surpassed the other two) Didn't get planted until the third week of May after Chinook failed to come up.

Please don't feel obligated to watch this whole video, if you fast forward to 8:20 you'll see what I'm talking about. My nugget only has about 1 2' bine, and my cascade has barely just finally made it to the rope. If you skim through other parts of the video you'll see just about every other plant in my garden is thriving. I'm assuming I won't get any cones this year, are they just putting all their energy into root production?



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i'm in northern Ontario and mine are just coming out of the ground. Cascade is maybe 2" and my EKG is about 1/2" out of the ground. this is first year growth too.



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I can see why you are concerned if you are comparing your hops to your vegetable garden. I would kill to have any vegetables to harvest at this time of year, but I am at least a few weeks out before I get any vegetables from my garden.

If you are planting hops from rhizomes, growth can be pretty variable and a lot has to do with how vigorous the rhizomes are in the first place. I've had rhizomes that just take off and others that just kind of sputter along. It is only June, so in your locale you have quite a bit of growing season left. Don't stress as you'll likely get some cones this year.

The only issue in the spot you have your hops growing is that it does look like you have some shading so that may impact your growth a bit as hops prefer full sun.

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I can't say if yours are typical or not since this is the first year I've tried to grow hops but here's a pic of mine for comparison. I planted them April 29th the pic was taken June 1st and I live in Northern Virginia. I may just be lucky I'm not sure because I have a friend that lives close by and his are half the size.

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i'm in northern Ontario and mine are just coming out of the ground. Cascade is maybe 2" and my EKG is about 1/2" out of the ground. this is first year growth too.
That makes me feel a little better. However, it's not not a good comparison since you are in a much more northern climate.

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I can see why you are concerned if you are comparing your hops to your vegetable garden. I would kill to have any vegetables to harvest at this time of year, but I am at least a few weeks out before I get any vegetables from my garden.

If you are planting hops from rhizomes, growth can be pretty variable and a lot has to do with how vigorous the rhizomes are in the first place. I've had rhizomes that just take off and others that just kind of sputter along. It is only June, so in your locale you have quite a bit of growing season left. Don't stress as you'll likely get some cones this year.

The only issue in the spot you have your hops growing is that it does look like you have some shading so that may impact your growth a bit as hops prefer full sun.
In the video the sun is right above the tree I've ran the trellis ropes from, so it's got a lot of shade. They get a good amount of full sun in the morning and a little more in the afternoon. I'd say about 4-6 hours total depending on time of season. Eventually I'll cut the top of that tree off and just leave the trunk.

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I can't say if yours are typical or not since this is the first year I've tried to grow hops but here's a pic of mine for comparison. I planted them April 29th the pic was taken June 1st and I live in Northern Virginia. I may just be lucky I'm not sure because I have a friend that lives close by and his are half the size.

Wow you are about 80 miles northwest of me, and your hops are kicking the crap out of mine. Do you mind if I ask what variety the two on the left are?
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All of your little guys are still establishing root systems. Most of the energy they are creating is going into those roots. I can promise, with a bit of certainty, that they will absolutely take off next year. I had a centennial that was only 3-4 feet last year. It's probably somewhere near 15 or 16 so far this year. Just keep watering and feeding occasionally. They'll be fine.

Here is something to ponder: I planted 3 rhizomes in pots, with potting soil along with some miracle grow once a week, and they yielded about 2-4 oz each at the end of last year. I would think that when the roots feel they can no longer expand, that they then turn that energy into the bines. Just a thought, really.

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I planted two of each variety so the two on the left are Cascades then Chinook, Zeus, Magnum and finally Centennial. When I purchased the rhizomes the Cascade root was double in thickness when compared to all the others, that is why I think they are doing so well.

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All of your little guys are still establishing root systems. Most of the energy they are creating is going into those roots. I can promise, with a bit of certainty, that they will absolutely take off next year. I had a centennial that was only 3-4 feet last year. It's probably somewhere near 15 or 16 so far this year. Just keep watering and feeding occasionally. They'll be fine.

Here is something to ponder: I planted 3 rhizomes in pots, with potting soil along with some miracle grow once a week, and they yielded about 2-4 oz each at the end of last year. I would think that when the roots feel they can no longer expand, that they then turn that energy into the bines. Just a thought, really.
Interesting, I will ponder on that. That definitely offers some comfort, I'll keep my expectations to a minimum this season and conserve my hopes for next season.

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I planted two of each variety so the two on the left are Cascades then Chinook, Zeus, Magnum and finally Centennial. When I purchased the rhizomes the Cascade root was double in thickness when compared to all the others, that is why I think they are doing so well.
Wow my cascades is the dinkiest one, it was a good sized rhizome too. Not necessarily thick, but about just as long as the nugget was.
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*Update*

I've got five whole cones growing on Brewers Gold!!!

Skip ahead to 6:00 to see...

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Not gonna lie they do seem very small for how long they have been in the ground.

All 3 of my plants were put in April 7th or so and are all 20+ feet tall with dozens of blooms. Maybe its just due to the weather and growing conditions here in the PNW being so good for hops, but your plants still seem very small. Especially considering my soil was pretty crap, i mean i put it in a good 6+ inches of good soil mix, but below what i added is all hard pack clay and rock, yet some of the vines on my plants are as thick as my pinky. I would expect yours to be growing way faster.

What type of soil did you put them in? Did you fertilize at all?

As a point of reference this is my Columbus the slowest of my 3 plants on May 17th


And this is the Columbus on July 31st


I wont even bring up my mutant cascade you can see on the right, as i know that is far from standard for any first year plant to be 25+ feet tall with well over 100 cones. Apparently it was a very strong rhizome.

I agree with the other poster a lot of the energy will go into growing roots instead of huge boosts of flowering, but that energy comes from the sun.
If your plants aren't growing enough leaves to absorb that sun, where are they going to get it?

If your not averse to it you may want to start hitting some of those plants with some Miracle Gro 24-8-16 or something to get them going. I cant help but wonder if they are stunted due to lack of nutrients, both my Columbus and Newport had this problem until Duboman here suggested i start doing half doses(1/2Tbps Per Gallon) once a week. Now they are strong as ever.



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