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OppamaBrendan 10-12-2012 11:42 PM

Japan Hops Trading - 日本でホプスやりとり
 
I want to build an exchange network of hops growers in Japan. Living plants are difficult and expensive to import. I want to learn what varieties are already growing in Japan. I have recently been given 2 full plants in 50 liter pots. I can trade some rhizomes with other hops gardeners in Japan. I have Magnum and Centennial varieties now.

If you are growing hops or would like to grow hop in Japan, please post below. Maybe give an idea of roughly where you live and what you grow or would like to grow. It would be good to learn which hops grow well in which prefectures. I live in Kanagawa prefecture, in Oppama. I just got the plants from a friend in Tokyo. He grew them on his apartment balcony for a few years, and they were healthy.

My Japanese is not very good yet but I will read and respond to either English or Japanese.

ShizuokaBrad 10-18-2012 11:30 AM

Konnichiwa! I'm just getting back into brewing after almost 15 years. Another of my hobbies is gardening. I'd be very interested to know what you find out regarding growing hops in Japan as I'm living just down the road from you (kind of). Next spring I'm going to spend some serious time on this subject. Hope your brews are going well.

OppamaBrendan 10-19-2012 01:16 PM

Shizouka - I think you might be in luck!
 
If you are in Shizouka you are probably going to be able to visit the Baird brewery sometime! I believe they have a hopyard somewhere as well, and they are friendly to homebrewers so perhaps they might be able to sell off some trimmings? I'd like to make a trip out there to Numazu sometime this winter. There is a chart floating around the internet that someone put together for gardening with hops. It has a bunch of varieties listed with pros/cons (disease/pest resistance, climate, yield, etc) that are definitely useful for deciding what to plant (and where to plant it) I'd like to eventually understand that from a Japanese perspective as the 3 growing zones here are not quite the same as growing zones in North America. Different climates, different pests, etc.. I will keep info up here for anyone as I learn it for sure!:mug:

ShizuokaBrad 10-20-2012 03:19 PM

Yeah, I'm actually only a 7 minute bicycle ride from Baird. In fact, I just got back from there tonight.

Let me know what you find out with hops. There are several things I can imagine are problems in this area but the main one is the temperature. Kanagawa gets almost the same weather as Numazu and it is hot hot hot in the summer. I do a lot of organic gardening here and it is a real struggle. Powdery mildew is a real concern in this area (among other things).
Anyway, the best seasonal Japanese marco brew was realized this week. It's called Ebisu Kohaku (ヱビス琥珀)Delicious amber ale. We are having a party here tomorrow to celebrate its release. Have a good one!

surume 10-22-2012 04:29 PM

Just noticed this thread.

I have a relative living in Fujisawa who enjoys gardening and grows "Goya" bitter melons, tomatoes, tangerines, daikon, potatoes and all sorts of stuff in her front yard. The front yard gets a lot of good sunshine so it should be perfect for growing hops. I'm pretty sure I can convince her to add hops to her list of products too.

However, just as Brad said, the hot and humid climate over here could make things really difficult.

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Zider 11-07-2012 12:32 PM

In trying to get Nelson sauvin hops to friends in Tokyo
Dou suru?
I was going to ship from NZ unless there are better ideas?

WhoZiT 11-08-2012 12:52 AM

Yakimavalleyhops.com and
Nikobrew

Both have fairly reasonable prices and cheap shipping to Japan. Yakima is cheaper, whereas Nikobrew seems to have more of the exotic hops, like NZ strains. 3.5 pounds mix/match for $17-18 shipping.

As for rhizomes, the advanced brewing mailing list may be of help when spring rolls around. I was able to get rhizomes for cascade, centennial, and sterling this year from a homebrewing group (not advanced brewing) for shipping costs. Ordering from abroad is an option, but there are customs costs for rhizomes.

I don't know if/how many rhizomes I'll get from my crowns in the spring, but I'd trade for any varieties I don't already have. Shipping is so amazingly cheap here!

OppamaBrendan 11-08-2012 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zider (Post 4565961)
In trying to get Nelson sauvin hops to friends in Tokyo
Dou suru?
I was going to ship from NZ unless there are better ideas?

Live plants? Not sure as there will be different rules for different countries probably. Last I checked is that Japan requires an official plant health inspection document from the shipping country's government agency that does that kind of thing.

You could "mail" a rhizome to your friend but that likely would be breaking the rules. If it gets noticed by customs they will likely destroy it and may check in on anything sent to your friend after that. Agricultural products are tough like that, as a pest could be transported and do insane amounts of damage to a new environ. If you do go that way (and I am not recommending it) at the very least you should "bare-root" the plant, which means washing off ALL the dirt, and if possible do a dilute hydrogen peroxide wash to sanitize even more. You can get plant health certificates from government agencies, if is possible where you are that is the legal way to do it but the cost may be prohibitive for personal amounts (but it could be free from your government, I don't know). I had a plant that was in my family for over 100 years that had no history of disease, bare-rooted and treated a small section and labelled it a "snackfood" on the customs document. It made it through and I kept it quarantined for a few months here. I have education in agriculture and environmental legislation and understood that it was a big no-no but mailed the plant to myself under that knowledge and after taking steps to ensure it was clean and no risk to the receiving country.

I have no other experience shipping or ordering live plants across national boundaries but some of the hops companies have the experience necessary to do it legally so it is best to discuss with them to find the costs before you think of anything else. It will likely be faster and cheaper to buy and ship directly from hop rhizome distributors to your friend.

WhoZiT 11-08-2012 01:05 AM

Yes, if you order rhizomes, get them from a company experienced in shipping them internationally. That said, I don't think it's that difficult, just some extra charges for customs.

Btw, if you are looking for Nelson sauvin or many of the newer strains, rhizomes will be almost impossible to get because they are still protected.


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