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Old 04-05-2012, 04:54 PM   #11
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Is that what you have convinced your wife of with respect to the clover? Your neighbors hate you, don't they?
My wife likes the clover. But we usually have lawn pro companies knock on our door once a week -
Them - "Hey, you have quite the clover problem, we can get rid of it for you."
Me - "No thanks, I planted it."
Them - astonishment, shock "...why?"
Me - "It's nitrogen fixating, its deeper roots prevent compaction & aid drainage, it doesn't turn brown with dog, and great for pollination. Oh, and it doesn't turn brown in the summer...In the heat of the summer there's the dark-green chemical lawns, brown lawns, and mine - a bright green oasis "
Them - No response. Write me off as a crazy person.

And the neighbors are "worse." I'm fighting wild violets on the left and creeping charlie on the right.


Oh, and agreed with the north-facing thing - not in Illinois, we're too far north, they won't get enough sun.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:03 PM   #12
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Hmm, I just planted them right in the grass around my deck last October. We'll see what happens with my "lazy-mans" method

Cascade is looking okay.
Hallertauer is looking sad, but growing.
Nugget is looking good!

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Old 04-05-2012, 05:17 PM   #13
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Hmm, I am giving away most of my crowns, just keeping the cascade and centennial.

If they won't survive on the north side of the house then I can't give them room to grow up anywhere else, they'll have to be trained short (more work).

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P.S. Anyone want a Willamette, Hallertau, 2x fuggle crowns? (you dig)

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Good stuff guys, thanks.

For those of you composting, don't forget to compost your spent grains. I dump my yeast/trub in the composter as well.

Also, I like clover. Big-money lawn care convinced America it's a weed, but its amazingly beneficial.

And FWIW, I haven't noticed catmint to be as invasive as the other mint (spear, pepper, garden, etc) mint varieties.
Maybe I missed something but some folks refer to catNIP as cat-mint, and with all the zillions of types of mint out there I'm sure there is an actual cat-mint. Semantics I know, but what I call catnip is pretty solitary and creeps slowly through very short rhizomes and is easily pulled out compared to many other of the mints.

Ever tried borax for control of creeping charlie? I played around last year with some impressive results at a rate of like 5 oz. per gallon. The violets can be contained (not controlled) with products containing triclopyr but you have to do repeat applications and the stuff is pretty 'hot' to work with. Clover = bees = FOOD! Grow on!
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paulster,

The biggest problem you'll encounter by planting them adjacent to a grass area is that if the rhizomes spread underground into the grass area which they probably will, you'll never know it until you don't mow the grass for a month. You'll see some tiny little serpent heads poking out above the grass and when you take a closer look you'll realize that's them. So if you ever decide to sell the house, make sure the grass is cut and looks pretty before you sign the papers (hahaha).

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Interesting, I always thought catmint & catnip were the same. But looked it up and you're right - they are different. I have catmint.

Heard of but never tried borax. Actually, between letting the lawn grow longer (less sun for charlie) and the clover out-competing it, it's almost completely gone.

And hops'll survive on the north side, just not thrive as Randar said.

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Wow, I was just guessing about the mint thing but I've heard both of the terms so I figured their would be a chance of them actually being two different plants. All plants need a certain amount of Boron along with a bunch of other micronutrients, but I guess when you apply the borax to the ground ivy, the rate gives the weed an amount that creates a phytotoxic response (overdose) without harming the grass. I kinda like non-traditional controls, especially for stuff like ground ivy. Adios!

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This is a really fantastic and informative thread. Thanks to all for the guidance. I, along with many here I would guess, are not only just getting in to hop growing but plant care in general. So please keep the info coming, even the stuff that seems obvious to the more seasoned horticulturists here because there are many just soaking it all up.

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totally off topic

but has any one had the mint that looks like mint but tastes like lemon pledge?
i was on a property one dany and saw mint picked some smelt and tasted it and it tasted like lemon

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totally off topic

but has any one had the mint that looks like mint but tastes like lemon pledge?
i was on a property one dany and saw mint picked some smelt and tasted it and it tasted like lemon
Haha, yup! Lemon balm. Bee balm is similar, but a bit more spicy than lemony.
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