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Old 07-10-2014, 04:02 AM   #11
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Crap - of the varieties listed that include pictures of the leaves, most of them have a 5-leaf pattern.
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Old 07-10-2014, 04:11 AM   #12
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Did you not notice that for nearly everyone of those pictures, it's a duplicate, whether it's a cone or a leaf. Those are just placeholders and not real images, or at least not in the sense that someone should rely on them for identification purposes.

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Old 07-10-2014, 04:20 AM   #13
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Actually, most of the pictures of the cones seemed slightly different to me?

For the leaves, most of them had 5 leaves, but the pictures still looked different to me?

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I just started growing hops this year, so have a lot to learn still.

However, according to this page

http://tcpermaculture.blogspot.com/2012/01/permaculture-plants-hops.html

The hop leaf changes shape as it matures. It says it gets more complex as it ages...



I can't really find anything to back that up on line. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

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I'd say you're right. Most mature plants I've grown over the years seem to go through those changes as they make their way through the season. And another observation on hops grown here in NE Ohio is that most of the lower alpha varieties tend to be 3-lobed and the higher alpha's are more likely to be 5 to 7-lobed. Not any scientific explanation just observances since the late 80's.

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I just started growing hops this year, so have a lot to learn still.

However, according to this page

http://tcpermaculture.blogspot.com/2012/01/permaculture-plants-hops.html

The hop leaf changes shape as it matures. It says it gets more complex as it ages...



I can't really find anything to back that up on line. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

This may be true, but I think the largest factor here that creates such a marked difference within a variety is the extreme variation in the environment in which it's grown. My climate is not like the PNW, nor is it like the devil's butthole, so even as my plant ages and develops it will still be slightly different than theirs.

Leaf morphology is (likely) under control by a number of genes and considered a quantitative trait like many other traits of interest like bitter acids and yield, etc.


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The leaf pictures in the website are in fact different. They are not place holders. I opened 4 different windows with a 5 lobed variety and scrolled thru them rapidly and they are different. The leaves from hops varieties are just that similar.

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The leaf pictures in the website are in fact different. They are not place holders. I opened 4 different windows with a 5 lobed variety and scrolled thru them rapidly and they are different. The leaves from hops varieties are just that similar.

The pictures are repeated over and over. If you only have 5 pictures, but 18 varieties, there are numerous ways in which they can be ordered in which to demonstrate variability, but that doesn't mean they still are not still the same picture....


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Quick update - Most of the vines all have cones growing in on them now. Most of the cones are at least 1". They are fairly light green in color and do not have a distinctive smell. I pulled 8-12 of them off and am drying them out right now.

I don't know if they were ready to be harvested yet or not. And I'm not really sure how long it'll take to dry them. I'm hoping within a few more days they will be dry enough to make a hop-tea and have some sort of a hop aroma & taste to them.

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