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Old 04-05-2012, 06:39 PM   #1
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First post on HBT. Lurked a lot about growing hops and it helped me start two cascade rhizomes last year. They did great and it is time to get a better trellis. My budget is under $100. Here is what I have planned so far:



Uprights will be pressure treated 4'x4'x12'. Sunk in 2' with just tamped dirt. Top board will be a 2"x6" but I might cut it out depending on costs. I only have two plants and am trying to maximize the growing 'height'. Two leads per plant that zig zag. I figure I could easily get 15'+ of growing 'height' this way. I know if might be tough to harvest but I am trying to be a bit courteous to my neighbors.

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Can I replace the third post with some wire or rope to save costs?
Any other ideas that would be a bit more ideal?
What about training a bine up the posts?

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Old 04-05-2012, 09:20 PM   #2
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First post on HBT. Lurked a lot about growing hops and it helped me start two cascade rhizomes last year. They did great and it is time to get a better trellis. My budget is under $100. Here is what I have planned so far:

Uprights will be pressure treated 4'x4'x12'. Sunk in 2' with just tamped dirt. Top board will be a 2"x6" but I might cut it out depending on costs. I only have two plants and am trying to maximize the growing 'height'. Two leads per plant that zig zag. I figure I could easily get 15'+ of growing 'height' this way. I know if might be tough to harvest but I am trying to be a bit courteous to my neighbors.

Thoughts?
Can I replace the third post with some wire or rope to save costs?
Any other ideas that would be a bit more ideal?
What about training a bine up the posts?
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If you can get 16' or 20' posts you will be better off. If you can't do more than 10' vertical, you make do with what you have. It will be a lot of work to train bines onto strings that "flat". Angle up at least 45 degrees (60 degrees is better) and they will do a better job of climbing on their own.

For me, I will put in more prep and trellis design to avoid a ton of manual labor over the course of the year. A weekend of good trellis construction will pay off later if it means the daily (you WILL be training bines daily with that setup, probably twice a day) maintenance is eliminated and harvest is easier.

Can you train a bine up a 4x4 post? No, not really. They wind too tight for that.

Can you use a cable or rebar in the center? Yep. But considering they are BOTH cascades, just wire post-to-post and train them cris-crossing. Won't matter trying to keep them separated if they are the same variety.
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Uprights will be pressure treated 4'x4'x12'. Sunk in 2' with just tamped dirt. Top board will be a 2"x6" but I might cut it out depending on costs
IMO You need that top board/cross bar. Don't get rid of it. Otherwise your outside posts could be pulled inward and even fall over. Doesn't need to be 2x6, could be something relatively small - it's just there to maintain the distance between the outside posts.
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Thanks for the help guys. I will take a closer look at getting 16' posts.

So a little more height (taller post) and more angle (45*) on the jute/sissle would improve this design. Got it.

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Just an update. Project finished. I ended up using 4x4x12 posts because the truck I was going to borrow fell through. Had to throw them on my Outback and didn't want to stretch it. Top support is a 2x6x8. All pressure treated. I buried them 2' deep and used half a bag of quickrete each. Dont mind the missing lag bolt.. my 2 year old lost a 3/8" washer. It will hold up until I can get a replacement. I just tied half bricks to each end of the sisel and buried them. Total cost was ~$60, which included a post level I purchased. I measured out each 'leg' and it comes out to ~24' of travel for each bine. Way better than the 10' I had last year. I might have to train them a little but to keep them on their own sisel, but I am out there every day to tend to the garden anyway.

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