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Old 03-20-2012, 09:10 PM   #11
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Honestly I love the app. It may not be everything that other full fledged programs are but I use it every brew day. I actually find the navigation to be quite simple easy and straightforward on the iPad version.
I'm not sure how having everything on one page one button away could be confusing but that's just me. Also it's more of a brew "keeper tracker" and calculator than a pro brewery automated computer which is what it sounds like people are mad that it's not.
I use it to formulate recipes and modify batches and do my calculations for me while keeping track of it all and logging it. That's all I need with me on brew day personally so I would say that it's been one of the best most used apps I've purchased.
Honestly if you need more than that to brew consistently good beer you are ether doing something majorly wrong or you just view brewing as a science more so than a craft or art. But that's just me.

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Old 03-20-2012, 10:00 PM   #12
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I think it all comes down to what one is used to/comfortable with. I started with brewpal, and have since dabbled with most of the available software for the Mac/iPhone. I have actually found the ibrewmaster to be the easiest, after the learning curve becomes second nature as to where to find things. I have found the calculations to be accurate, and don't mind the sliders, probably because they are used across the board in any iPhone app. It would be nice to be able to turn them off if desired though. I tried both beer alchemy as well as beersmith after using ibrewmaster, and while I like the interface of the beersmith app, I find it so convenient to carry my phone or iPad to brew day for reference that I have found myself reentering my beersmith data into my ibrewmaster app on the night prior to brew day, so have ultimately gone back to using the ibrewmaster 90% of the time. I do agree that the inventory function could be better, but it's not difficult to take a look prior to going to the LHBS to see what I need, and I have been very happy thus far with the frequent updates to the software, and trust that the function will improve with time. Other than that, from a practical standpoint, I think it's a wash as far as which one to use - provided that beersmith eventually gets a mobile version of its software. That essentially has made the difference for me. And I remain amazed how simple it is for me to create/edit recipes anywhere I am with the ibrewmaster. I have never felt constrained by the small device despite all of the information that the app is juggling/displaying. I also think the ability to simply create and manage multiple batches simultaneously is a great feature that is incredibly simple to use in ibrewmaster. This is a feature that I simply haven't found to be relocated by the other software. Just my two cents after having used several of the programs. FWIW, I have also used beer alchemy for a short period, but could never manage to use it as easily as the others. IMHO, beersmith and ibrewmaster are the two simplest to use and the best bang for the buck.
Almost entirely the way it is for me, I don't use BeerSmith anymore, I carry around my iPad, and use ibrewmaster.
It's not that we are not as experienced or don't know what we're missing. I like having the inventory, the ability to design a recipe at a friends house, and email a recipe when I'm not at my computer.
I actually hate the new BeerSmith 2.0, the screen is almost too busy! There are some nice things about BeerSmith, but for me, they do to out weigh the perks of ibrewmaster for me.
I also like the fact that when I email the developer, which I have done several time, the average response time is less than 3 hours, and not a canned response like some grain mill manufacturers, but an actual answer.
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:13 PM   #13
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Thanks for doing this, I've not been able to find much in depth info on the program beyond "it rocks." Ive been considering getting this, rather than waiting for Brad t "get around" to writing an app for the iphone. But spending 10 bucks for it, and then spending whatever to get the bs app when it comes out doesn't seem right.

For me, all I really want is to be able to creat my recipes as I do in beersmith already and then be able to open them and manipulate them as needed on my phone in the field. I don't know if I necessarily even want to write my recipes on my phone, it seems too much to do on a small platform.

But thanks for giving some valid sounding criticisms of it....People seem to rave about it but noone seems to actually discuss how it works.
That is what I'd like to see. Access my recipe and maybe have timers for all of the steps and hop additions. IBrewmaster just have too much info for the iPad to display in a nice format.
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That is what I'd like to see. Access my recipe and maybe have timers for all of the steps and hop additions. IBrewmaster just have too much info for the iPad to display in a nice format.
I know to each their own, I just don't get it. Ibrewmaster, has built in timers, and you are able to manipulate recipes, without hitting all the tabs that some people are talking about.

It does need improvements, what program doesn't.

Look at Brewpal, it hasn't been updated in what, almost 2 years?

That was actually a pretty darn good program for $.99

But, I guess it's why they make chocolate, strawberry and vanilla.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:17 PM   #15
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Personally I think all of the software is too crowded. I would like a Entry mode and a brew mode. Beer Smith comes close to this with the brew step print option.

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Old 03-21-2012, 08:42 PM   #16
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I have used ProMash but it the UI looks like I hadn't been update since about 1995. Pretty powerful but clunky

I have used Brewpal. Toany crashes and bugs. And hasn't been updated I. Forever.

I brewmaster needs some work but developer is actively working to improve and add more features. I bought it last year at 7.99. I guess it's gone up a couple of bucks. I have emailed the developer several times and always got a timely response.

It may not be for everyone. But personally I like having it in my pocket as not have to drag out the Laptop every time.

When has anyone ever gotten a refund on software ever? And if you can't spare 10 bucks. Honestly you are in the wrong hobby.

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Old 03-21-2012, 08:57 PM   #17
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I have used ProMash but it the UI looks like I hadn't been update since about 1995. Pretty powerful but clunky

I have used Brewpal. Toany crashes and bugs. And hasn't been updated I. Forever.

I brewmaster needs some work but developer is actively working to improve and add more features. I bought it last year at 7.99. I guess it's gone up a couple of bucks. I have emailed the developer several times and always got a timely response.

It may not be for everyone. But personally I like having it in my pocket as not have to drag out the Laptop every time.

When has anyone ever gotten a refund on software ever? And if you can't spare 10 bucks. Honestly you are in the wrong hobby.
I actually use BrewPal every brew session and I have never had it crash. When I bought iBrewmaster I was trying to replace BrewPal because it is not supported by the developer and because it has one flaw, it forgets gravity readings for old brews. I wanted iBrewmaster to be a brew day companion and a tool which stored information about old batches and especially information about iterations of the same recipe (ie. brewing the same recipe more than once).

I wrote my review so there would be more information about iBrewmaster and I appreciate the discussion the review has generated. I like that iBrewmaster is supported by the developer, but, I also noticed that the developer is busy with many other versions of the app (iPad, Android, Mac) and still adding features so it is going to be a while before he gets around to aesthetic improvements and new features I would like such as calculating efficiency.

In regards to the $10. I realize I am not going to need to file bankruptcy due to the loss of the $10, but, I don't think the tool was $9.01 better than Brewpal. The impression I got from reviews here and on iTunes was "it rocks" to quote Revvy. I am more of the opinion that iBrewMaster is a work in progress that has a ways to go.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:04 PM   #18
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I bought it last week for my iPad and just input a recipe and had my first brewday using it. I liked it. It took me a few minutes to figure everything out, but frankly I found it easier than when I first fired up beersmith and beertools pro.

Maybe the iPad app is better because the screen is larger and there are less tabs to navigate through. I had brew pal before and hated it. There also is no yearly subscription fee. You pay one time and get free updates. Way cheaper than $30/year.

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I have tried to use ibrewmaster on a brew buddy's ipad for two batches. It just frustrated me to the point that I refused trying to use it for a third. It actually turned me off of brewing software. Now I have downloaded brewtarget and it took me 10 min to get comfortable with, love it.

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I think it's a style thing...the biggest complaint I have is about some of the little bugs in the SW...but they are very minor and not worth submitting a bug

Notably the mash in calcs and sparge calcs don't always work right. I like the inventory module but it needs a little more polishing as well.

I like having the control and detail of the tool, other people like a pen and paper or a different kind of tool.

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