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 MichaelBrock 07-02-2012 03:13 PM

Beersmith: Estimated pre-boil volume...at what temperature?

I have been using Beersmith since day one, roughly 18 all grain brews. My volume calculations and measurements never really added up but everything was otherwise working out so I didn't pay it much heed. This past weekend I finally go around to making an accurate measuring stick for my boil kettle. Turns out I have been overestimating my volume into the kettle by roughly 1/4 gallon. I started looking into the volumes in beersmith in a bit more detail. Of course this just let to more questions. Mainly, what temperature is assumed for the "pre boil" volume of wort? The directions and tool tip simply state that this is the volume at the "start of the boil". Which of course begs the question of what is meant by "the boil". Is the volume at 212 degrees? or is the volume of runnings from the mash, which is roughly 168 degrees? I tried to research this first and found a few people asking the question but failed to find a definitive answer.

Thanks,

Michael

 Double-R 07-02-2012 10:59 PM

Pre-boil ...is "Total" amount of wort collected at the star of boil.For me around 7 Gallons.<<< In boil kettle
Post-boil...is "Total" amount of wort left after the boil.For me after 60min,I'm left with 5.5 Gallons.<<<< Into fermenter.
Beersmith needs to know the amount of water you boil in a hour.. called
Boil-off rate...is "Total" amount of Water you boil in a hour..For me its 1.5 gallons a hour.
To find this I filled to pot with 7 gal of H2O.Then when it "Started to boil" ,I timed it a hour..was left with 5.5Gal...

 MichaelBrock 07-03-2012 12:45 AM

Thanks for the reply That much I understand though. My question is what water temperature does the "pre boil volume" assume? Due to the varying density of water with temperature it could make quite a difference. Seems like a simple question but I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer.

 Yooper 07-03-2012 01:02 AM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by MichaelBrock (Post 4220474) Thanks for the reply That much I understand though. My question is what water temperature does the "pre boil volume" assume? Due to the varying density of water with temperature it could make quite a difference. Seems like a simple question but I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer.
I don't know what it assumes, but even assuming a coolage percentage of 4% (if it's boiling hot), that's not much at all. Just call it "once the BK is up to boil volume" regardless of temperature and then build that into your boil off.

What I mean is this- use your measuring stick and see that you have 7 gallons as you finish the sparge (or whatever you start with). When your boil is finished, measure the amount you have left with the measuring stick and consider the difference all boil off, and then the shrinkage percentage will be dead on. Change the settings in Beersmith from "percentage boiled off in one hour" to "boil off volume" and use that amount from now on. Does that make sense? Temperature is totally out of the equation that way, since your system/temperatures won't vary by much in future batches.

 MichaelBrock 07-03-2012 12:37 PM

That does make sense. I guess now that I have accurate volume measurements I need to do an accurate measure of the boil off. I intended to with this last brew but I got distracted roasting coffee and missed my 60 minute hop addition by 10 minutes so extended the boil (but still ended up with almost 2 quarts too much wort (and .003 too low OG).

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