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BillyBroas 07-24-2011 08:45 PM

BeerSmith 2 - Entering Mash Efficiency
 
Simple question - how do I enter in my estimated mash efficiency?

Unfortunately I'm having trouble finding a good answer. To be clear, I'm talking about the efficiency from the mash tun into the boiler, not brewhouse efficiency.

Under equipment profiles, there is only the option to enter brewhouse efficiency. Then, on the recipe design page, the "Est Mash Eff" is given in a grayed out box as an output.

Looking through the BS forums it doesn't look like there is a direct way to enter your mash efficiency. I found two methods from this thread.

1. Use the attached spreadsheet in that thread to calculate brewhouse efficiency if you know your mash efficiency (or vice versa).
2. Using the method in the attached pdf, tweak your brewhouse efficiency until the estimated OG equals your actual OG for a given recipe. Then use that brewhouse efficiency in your equipment profile to calculate your mash efficiency.

Is there really no way to enter it directly? It seems silly to need a spreadsheet to accompany the brewing software.

njbabs 08-12-2011 03:29 PM

I'm wondering the same thing. I got used in v.1 to using mash efficiency when calibrating peoples recipe to my system.

BillyBroas 08-12-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by njbabs (Post 3166278)
I'm wondering the same thing. I got used in v.1 to using mash efficiency when calibrating peoples recipe to my system.

After more hunting around and talking with people it looks like there's no way to directly enter your mash efficiency. You have to use one of the methods I listed or zero out your equipment losses so that brewhouse efficiency equals mash efficiency, although that may not accurately represent your system.

It's pretty inconvenient and hopefully it gets fixed in an update.

cwi 02-11-2013 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBroas (Post 3166312)
After more hunting around and talking with people it looks like there's no way to directly enter your mash efficiency. You have to use one of the methods I listed or zero out your equipment losses so that brewhouse efficiency equals mash efficiency, although that may not accurately represent your system.

It's pretty inconvenient and hopefully it gets fixed in an update.

This past summer I raised a big stink about the use of 'to the fermenter' eff over in BeerSmith fanboy world, and elsewhere. It seems to have increased the visibility of the issue, as well as the knowledge level of the user about its downsides. Prior to this, the fanboys touted it as a benefit. There have been some posts lately from BeerSmith hinting that he may be adding the ability to go off 'in the kettle' efficiency in the future. At least now BeerSmith and the fanboys can't spew their usual propaganda at new users, since a search so easily turns up results about why it is stupid.

The trick of setting 'trub loss' to '0' is the preferred workaround. A single 'loss' field for equipment isn't really representative or useful anyway. Trub loss will change based on the recipe- pellet vs cone hops, wheat vs. barley, high/low gravity, etc. My advice is to keep track of trub loss for a recipe using the 'fermenter loss' field. When building/tuning a recipe, you just need to scale it to 'kettle volume', which is trub loss + ferm volume. This method allows changing trub loss volumes (i.e. pellet vs. cone hops), while not affecting efficiency (which wasn't changed). If the trub loss field is used, the efficiency would have to be adjusted anytime the trub loss field is changed, since BS uses that value in its calcs.

The kettle loss issue is a tricky one, since the amount of trub is usually, but not always, more than the dead space anyway. If you suck any of that junk into your fermenter, you will just be losing volume down the line. It is much better to allow for it, and that way the fermenter fills, or you cut it off, before the trub pile starts getting sucked in.


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