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Old 07-28-2011, 06:37 PM   #1371
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just ordered the ingredients to make this

apfelwein is already fermenting, I figured I had better make this too!

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Old 07-29-2011, 03:58 AM   #1372
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Hey everyone- first post!

I'll be giving the graff a try next week. I skipped the hops and wheat, plus I'll be using 80L crystal and 2.5 lbs pilsner LME.

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Old 07-29-2011, 02:34 PM   #1373
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Hey pianoguitar, welcome!

I understand after reading this whole thread why you might want to skip the hops, but I find that they really go a long way in balancing out this recipe. I think it's one of the reasons why this cider doesn't require at lot of ageing before its good. It's also what gives it the unique beer/cider hybrid flavour that most people enjoy.

The wheat is just for head retention and doesn't change the taste, but you might want try it with hops...I use .5 oz fuggle for 5 gal and it's perfect.

Obviously, it's your call

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Old 07-30-2011, 01:39 AM   #1374
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+1 on the hops, I used the called for ammount, but at half the strength since im still learning to understand the value of hops. I have noticed that to really get a good flavor I have to put about 1/2 of a pellet in the bottom of the glass before I pour. Next time ill be using the sugested hops.

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Old 07-30-2011, 03:49 PM   #1375
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Thanks for the input! I'll give a half oz. of fuggle or willamette a try, maybe pick up some torrified wheat too.

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Old 08-01-2011, 09:49 PM   #1376
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Sorry to ask the question again (especially if it's been answered already) but how is everyone carbing this Graff? Either by volumes of CO2 or by amount of sugar is fine, I'm just trying to get a handle on what the best carb level is for this.

The tastybrew.com bottle priming calculator lists ciders as 1-3.5 volumes of CO2, with 2.25 if you select it from the drop down.

If anything I guess I'll shoot for 2.25. That about right?

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Old 08-02-2011, 03:39 PM   #1377
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I just bottled mine a couple weeks ago and used Coopers carb drops (1 per standard beer bottle). Cracked one open last weekend and they seem to be carbing nicely.

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Old 08-02-2011, 04:20 PM   #1378
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I just bottled mine a couple weeks ago and used Coopers carb drops (1 per standard beer bottle). Cracked one open last weekend and they seem to be carbing nicely.
Thanks! I found this said about the carb drops: "They are supposedly designed to give you approximately 2-2.5 volumes of CO2 in a 12 oz bottle when conditioned at room temperature."

So that sounds to be right about where I was shooting for.
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Old 08-05-2011, 01:05 PM   #1379
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Putting a batch on today using a cider malt blend kit and burnt honey for a "toffee graff." will let you know how it goes

edit - small update.

I basically wanted to use a cider kit up that I had going spare, it's a Samson's West Country Cider with added shelf dust kit and contains Malt Extract and Apple Concentrate. As cider kits have always been so disappointing in my experience (I just dumped a 5 gallon batch of Elderflower Cider because it was crap, not because it went wrong) I tried a different method of basically burning the honey first, then adding in the wheat and boiling this with some water and the hops which were some left over hallertau's, very low AA at 2.5% so I used the recommended maximum. After that I blended the kit with this mixture in the brewing bucket, and I'm gonna ferment with Safale.

OG is a low 1.032 but that should leave me at around 4%, which is nice for a beer/cider imo. Faster fermenting too, so meh

Also bought some Heading Powder to add to the keg, for some extra body hopefully. Might add some DME in at some point.

This is a 3 gal batch, so let's see how it goes!

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Old 08-06-2011, 05:56 PM   #1380
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I made my 5 gallon batch of graff last night (finishing around 2AM). Thanks to doctorwho and dover for suggesting to use the hops and wheat. OG was around 1.057 or 1.058. I've seen some very slow bubbling today with the primary in the mid 60's. I'm looking forward to trying my first cider- though I do miss the strong smell of hops coming out of the airlock.

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