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Old 07-07-2010, 12:27 PM   #11
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i'm not much on fruit beers myself, but this one i've heard is quite more like a sparkling wine or lambic. in any case, it's a toasting appurtenance for the sister in law's wedding and she seemed excited, if not for anything but the novel name.

i suppose i'll stick with Papazian's recipe and trust he's got it right. thanks, again.

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Old 07-07-2010, 12:34 PM   #12
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ps, found this little nugget info: http://www.byo.com/stories/wizard/article/section/121-mr-wizard/1635-what-is-the-purpose-of-pectic-enzyme-in-many-fruit-beer-recipes

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Old 07-08-2010, 03:13 PM   #13
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To make sure I'm on the same page with terminology.What we always called choke cherries here ( an hour south of the bridge) grow on bushes a little larger than blueberry bushes in the same places blueberries grow.Pin cherries grow on trees which resemble domesticated cherry trees only taller and straighter. Which berry do you use for this wine?

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At least in Nebraska, the chokecherries grow on bushes that cluster up in ditches. I just drive around the stream valley near our cabin on gravel roads and look for the berries on bushes. Below are a couple links to pictures to help you ID the right berries.

here you can see the ripe berry. it's pretty small, slightly larger than a pea, but probably a little less than a blueberry (at least in Nebraska). also, there is a distinctive single main stem that carries alot of berries which are hung by smaller stems. to harvest, you can usually just pinch your fingers near the top and pull down, causing all the berries to pop off the main stem.
http://listsoplenty.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Choke-Cherry.jpg

here's a bush near a gravel road. this one is pretty large from what i've seen, and if you're lucky, you'll get a cluster of several of these bushes together. they can also be pretty small and spindly.
http://www.foothillslandscaping.ca/Reference/Graphics/Chokecherry2a.jpg

this is a good look at the main stem structure--this is a good identifier.
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/fruit/images/chokecherries.jpg

finally, this shows the blossoms and a few berry shots. the berries will go from green to green-reddish pink, to red, and then to a dark purple. i would pick in the red to dark purple range.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1022/1338315839_1d5db99702.jpg&imgrefurl=http://montucky.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/chokecherry/&usg=__68mQX_kVwfZsc9GtwU_kSv6a3vw=&h=500&w=443&sz =188&hl=en&start=39&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=gUfm_U81gq2r IM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchokecherry%26start%3D20%26um%3D1%26h l%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-USfficial%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

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also, you want to steer clear of chokeberries, instead of cherries. the chokeberry has a different stem structure, as show in these links:
http://thepleasanthouse.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/chokeberries.jpg

http://www.semo.edu/liberalarts/images/KRCU_DN-BlackChokeberry_2010.jpg

you'll notice the chokeberry tends to have longer stems emanating from a single point, not coming off one single long main stem.

just look for the long dangling chain of chokecherries and you should in for a treat!

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To make sure I'm on the same page with terminology.What we always called choke cherries here ( an hour south of the bridge) grow on bushes a little larger than blueberry bushes in the same places blueberries grow.Pin cherries grow on trees which resemble domesticated cherry trees only taller and straighter. Which berry do you use for this wine?
Neither one of those! The chokecherries are more like the pin cherries. Chokecherries grow on large shrubs/trees in clusters. Much larger than a blueberry bush. Black cherries are closely related, but a bigger tree.

http://www.oplin.org/tree/fact%20pages/chockecherry_common/chokecherry_common.html
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Powers - I, too live in Nebraska and just this past weekend found a hoard of ripe chokecherries - the family and I picked nearly 25 pounds in about 45 minutes. We beat the birds to them! They are in the freezer now, can't wait to get them started this weekend.

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good haul! i was searching much further north, in the niobrara river basin, so thought it was odd to find so many ripe this early. wet year, i guess. i hope your batch turns out tasty!

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They seem to have ripend early, according to websites I read. I'm starting them tonight. Good luck with yours, too.

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Thanks for linking the pics of the chokecherries! There are a bunch of those around here, I'm gonna have to try them out :-)

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