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06-09-2008, 06:24 PM
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All-Grain - Saison du Vieux Bâtard Sale
Recipe Type: All Grain Yeast: WLP568 Saison Ale Blend Yeast Starter: 2L Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5 Original Gravity: 1.062 Final Gravity: 1.011 IBU: 31.2 Boiling Time (Minutes): 90 Color: 5.4 Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 12 days @ 66->82f Additional Fermentation: Lagered in Keg for 10 weeks Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 68f for 2 weeks
I was a bit concerned that this seasonal WLP568 would not give me the requisite spice that I look for in Saison, so I used a touch of coriander and paradise seeds. The extended aging in the keg really mellowed the beer out, and I just had my first pint(s) this past weekend since it lost the carbonic bite from carbing. Awesome beer, just awesome. There's a little bit of fruit on the tongue from the high fermentation temps, but it's actually pretty subtle. I remember trying O'Flan's, and it was good, but it was in-your-face spicy (he also used black peppercorns!). This is really chill, drinks easily (I had 3 or 4 glasses yesterday morning while I brewed in the evil heat and humidity, and it's now my official breakfast beer!), and I will be making this again...
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Saison du Vieux Bâtard Sale
A ProMash Recipe Report
BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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16-C Belgian & French Ale, Saison
Min OG: 1.048 Max OG: 1.080
Min IBU: 25 Max IBU: 45
Min Clr: 5 Max Clr: 12 Color in SRM, Lovibond
Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 5.50 Wort Size (Gal): 5.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 11.38
Anticipated OG: 1.062 Plato: 15.25
Anticipated SRM: 5.4
Anticipated IBU: 31.2
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 6.47 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.053 SG 13.06 Plato
Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.
Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.30
Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %
Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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79.1 9.00 lbs. Pilsener Belgium 1.037 2
6.6 0.75 lbs. Wheat Malt Belgium 1.038 2
4.4 0.50 lbs. Sucanat Generic 1.046 1
8.8 1.00 lbs. Munich Malt(light) America 1.033 10
1.1 0.13 lbs. CaraMunich 60 France 1.034 60
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.
Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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0.75 oz. Galena Whole 13.00 31.2 60 min.
0.75 oz. Hallertau Select Pellet 1.50 0.0 0 min.
Extras
Amount Name Type Time
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0.10 Oz Coriander Seed Spice 5 Min.(boil)
0.25 Oz Grains of Paradise Spice 5 Min.(boil)
Yeast
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White Labs WLP568 Belgian Saison Ale Blend
Water Profile
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Profile:
Profile known for:
Calcium(Ca): 0.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 0.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 0.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 0.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 0.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 0.0 ppm
pH: 0.00
Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Multi Step
Grain Lbs: 10.88
Water Qts: 13.22 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal: 3.31 - Before Additional Infusions
Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.22 - Before Additional Infusions
Acid Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Protein Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Intermediate Rest Temp : 133 Time: 20
Saccharification Rest Temp : 148 Time: 70
Mash-out Rest Temp : 158 Time: 20
Sparge Temp : 170 Time: 10
Total Mash Volume Gal: 4.18 - Dough-In Infusion Only
All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.
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MOSS HOLLOW BREWING CO.
Aristocratic Ales, Lascivious Lagers
.planned:
•Scottish 80/- •Sweet Stout •Roggenbier
.primary | bright:
98: Moss Hollow Soured '09 72: Oude Kriek 99: B-Weisse 102: Brett'd BDSA 104: Feat of Strength Helles Bock 105: Merkin Brown
.on tap | kegged:
XX: Moss Hollow Springs Sparkling Water 95: Gott Mit Uns German Pils 91b: Brown Willie's Oaked Abbey Ale 103: Merkin Stout
98: Yorkshire Special 100: Maple Porter 89: Cidre Saison 101: Steffiweizen '09 (#3)
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07-04-2008, 06:46 PM
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i'm thinking this will be my first all grain beer. i'm set up and my apartment has heat control issues. its hard to keep my guys in the low 70s let alone 60s. so this will ferm great.
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09-17-2008, 04:18 PM
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It's about time that I do a Saison! When you brew this one, are you dialing up the fermentation temps or just letting 'em roll unregulated?
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09-17-2008, 04:22 PM
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I started low and increased to 85 by the end, incrementally. Next time, I'm gonna stay in the high 80's the whole time and see what happens. It was a good beer, but not saison-y enough for me.
Oh, and OMIT THE CORIANDER! Like I said, it was a good beer, but it had a faint week-old-OJ-from-concentrate note, ostensibly from the coriander.
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MOSS HOLLOW BREWING CO.
Aristocratic Ales, Lascivious Lagers
.planned:
•Scottish 80/- •Sweet Stout •Roggenbier
.primary | bright:
98: Moss Hollow Soured '09 72: Oude Kriek 99: B-Weisse 102: Brett'd BDSA 104: Feat of Strength Helles Bock 105: Merkin Brown
.on tap | kegged:
XX: Moss Hollow Springs Sparkling Water 95: Gott Mit Uns German Pils 91b: Brown Willie's Oaked Abbey Ale 103: Merkin Stout
98: Yorkshire Special 100: Maple Porter 89: Cidre Saison 101: Steffiweizen '09 (#3)
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09-17-2008, 04:35 PM
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Time to round up the ingredients and get this one brewed, I think.
Sucanat I'm not familiar with and haven't come across it yet- who's your source?
Last edited by flyangler18; 09-17-2008 at 04:40 PM.
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09-17-2008, 05:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flyangler18
Time to round up the ingredients and get this one brewed, I think.
Sucanat I'm not familiar with and haven't come across it yet- who's your source?
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health food store, bulk ingredient bins. You can probably find it at whole foods. It's very unrefined sugar, even less refined than turbinado, and it imparts a molassas-y flavor while adding pure fermentables. In the case of this recipe, though, you can go with table sugar and it'd probably be better. That's what I'm gonna do next time.
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MOSS HOLLOW BREWING CO.
Aristocratic Ales, Lascivious Lagers
.planned:
•Scottish 80/- •Sweet Stout •Roggenbier
.primary | bright:
98: Moss Hollow Soured '09 72: Oude Kriek 99: B-Weisse 102: Brett'd BDSA 104: Feat of Strength Helles Bock 105: Merkin Brown
.on tap | kegged:
XX: Moss Hollow Springs Sparkling Water 95: Gott Mit Uns German Pils 91b: Brown Willie's Oaked Abbey Ale 103: Merkin Stout
98: Yorkshire Special 100: Maple Porter 89: Cidre Saison 101: Steffiweizen '09 (#3)
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09-17-2008, 06:04 PM
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I love the name!
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MOD EDIT: Sig only takes up 6 lines now. Fermenting: Apple cider x 2, Doppelbock, Red, Oatmeal Stout, West Coast IPA x 2
Bottle conditioning: RIS
Keg conditioning: La Fin du Monde clone
On tap: Maudite clone, Double Munchen, Oktoberfeast, Oktoberfest Pilsner
Planning: Brewed in 2011: 22 (2010: 15, 2009: 29, 2008: 21, 2007: 1)
Wine made in 2010: 6 kits (2009: 19, 2008: 30)
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10-21-2008, 08:01 AM
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Just brewed a slightly altered version this weekend but screwed up by not going with a 90 minute boil (just slipped my mind). Not sure how I'll fare in terms of the pils malt and potential DMS issues...we'll see.
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