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**skeezerpleezer** · 01-17-2013, 04:41 AM

You could add it when you go to rinse or during the time it is working up to a boil.

**AOD** · 01-18-2013, 02:36 PM

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I did BIAB, and just forget the term First Wort hop, it doesn't really apply to BIAB.

Yup, just as skeezer said above; you can add your FWH to the wort as you remove / rinse your BIAB grain bag.

In fact, that's exactly what I do with all-grain. I did not add my FWH until my kettle was full of my pre-boil wort (7 gallons) and I had the flame on to bring it to a boil.

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~Adam

loetz · 01-27-2013, 08:03 PM

I'd like to brew this, but I don't have any Melanoiden or Aromatic. I'm also not really comfortable with doing a decoction.

What I do have is this:
Carahell 20-30EBC/10-15 SRM
Caraamber 60-80EBC/30-40SRM
Crystal 120EBC/60SRM
Caraaroma 350-450EBC/180-230SRM

What do you guys think I could do?

**skeezerpleezer** · 01-27-2013, 11:57 PM

I would probably use more Munich rather than a crystal malt (if you have it).

Magnum25 · 01-28-2013, 02:56 AM

Do you think I'd be ok using WLP001? I am about to do my first yeast washing and was hoping to use it to brew this awesome clone.

**jammin** · 01-28-2013, 03:34 AM

Will it be a clone? NO

Will it be a good beer? YES!

loetz · 01-28-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by skeezerpleezer

I would probably use more Munich rather than a crystal malt (if you have it).

Yea, I have munich 10. What would you suggest I do with it?

**skeezerpleezer** · 01-28-2013, 07:52 AM

I have never subbed it, but probably at least 1:1, maybe a little higher % Munich removing some 2row if needed. The reason I say it instead of crystal is to reduce the sweetness the crystal would bring. I have also seen people reference melanoiden as "much on steroids" FWIW.

loetz · 01-28-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skeezerpleezer

I have never subbed it, but probably at least 1:1, maybe a little higher % Munich removing some 2row if needed.

I'll just sub it 1:1 this time and see what I think. I'd rather error on the lighter side.

One other question: I've put everything in beersmith and it all looks good except that first wort addition. Beersmith has that clocking in at 29.6 IBU for me with 12% Citra. I've never done a first wort addition, so I'm not sure if I should trust beersmith's calculations or yours. Maybe I have entered it incorrectly in the software. I don't really know.

**skeezerpleezer** · 01-28-2013, 08:56 AM

I usually set the time to 20min for FWH since it is a "smoother bitterness", and people liken it to a 20 min addition.