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Old 07-18-2012, 05:17 AM   #531
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Made this all grain with wyeast pack of rogue pacman yeast. Used a 1.5 liter starter and it took off in hours, by the 3 rd day it all seemed to drop. Is this normal for pacman ?

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:39 AM   #532
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I didn't make a starter.
I brewed the extract version on Sunday. My LHBS didn't have Pacman, so the guy there recommended that WLP001 California Ale would be a good substitute. So I checked on their website, and it wants to ferment between 70-75 (which is good since that's my basement's ambient temperature) and the FAQ says that you don't need a starter for up to OG 1.070. So I looked at the recipe and Yooper's recipe said hers had OG 1.066, so I figured I was okay. And I was under some schedule constraints, so I didn't have the extra days to start.
Anyway, after I finished the boil and cooldown, my OG turned out to be 1.072... recommended starter. But by then it was too late. So it's been fermenting nicely (had to add the blowoff tube), but as I understand it, the issue would be when the alcohol levels get high closer to the end of fermentation. Should I do something? I have heard you can add more yeast to help things along, but I'd need to make another trip to LHBS.
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Made this all grain with wyeast pack of rogue pacman yeast. Used a 1.5 liter starter and it took off in hours, by the 3 rd day it all seemed to drop. Is this normal for pacman ?
Yes, it seems to work hard and fast. That seems about right.

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I didn't make a starter.
I brewed the extract version on Sunday. My LHBS didn't have Pacman, so the guy there recommended that WLP001 California Ale would be a good substitute. So I checked on their website, and it wants to ferment between 70-75 (which is good since that's my basement's ambient temperature) and the FAQ says that you don't need a starter for up to OG 1.070. So I looked at the recipe and Yooper's recipe said hers had OG 1.066, so I figured I was okay. And I was under some schedule constraints, so I didn't have the extra days to start.
Anyway, after I finished the boil and cooldown, my OG turned out to be 1.072... recommended starter. But by then it was too late. So it's been fermenting nicely (had to add the blowoff tube), but as I understand it, the issue would be when the alcohol levels get high closer to the end of fermentation. Should I do something? I have heard you can add more yeast to help things along, but I'd need to make another trip to LHBS.
Any thoughts welcome. Thanks!
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Well, a starter should be used for any beer above about 1.040 no matter what their website says. Check mrmalty.com for a good yeast pitching calculator that isn't from one of the yeast manufacturers. If it's fermenting now, then there isn't much you can do about it at this point. Hopefully the yeast was healthy and didn't create many off-flavors from the underpitching.

But I'd check again on the temperature for fermentation. The best info on that strain is right on the website:
WLP001 California Ale Yeast
This yeast is famous for its clean flavors, balance and ability to be used in almost any style ale. It accentuates the hop flavors and is extremely versatile.
Attenuation: 73-80%
Flocculation: Medium
Optimum Fermentation Temperature: 68-73°F
(20-23°C)

I'd keep it no higher than 68 degrees, but I've done it lower with good results. If the ambient temperature is, say, 70 degrees, an active fermentation could easily be 80 degrees, which is way way too warm. I try to keep the ambient for ales at about 62 degrees.
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Hmm... well, the thermometer on the side of the fermenter says 72... are you saying that the temperature inside is not represented by that 72, but is higher than that? Sorry, I am not an expert
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Hmm... well, the thermometer on the side of the fermenter says 72... are you saying that the temperature inside is not represented by that 72, but is higher than that? Sorry, I am not an expert
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No, that's pretty close. But when fermentation starts, it can get really warm really fast so keep an eye on it.
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Also interesting, I re-checked the yeast bottle and it does say 70-75, which is different from the website's 68-73. Well, from my frequent checks on the fermenter temp it has been in that range the whole time, so that's something anyway. I can always keep it in the bottles longer to try to mellow it.
Thanks for your help. Probably I should look into some sort of cooler for the next time. Right now I depend on the basement temps.
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Thanks Yooper this is one of my best and most popular beers.


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That looks really great!

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Bottled this last night. It bottomed out at 1.023, so it's sweeter than the presented recipe, but I think it tastes good anyway. If I make this one again I'll use the starter!
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