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sjohnv3 · 01-21-2013, 05:56 AM

Must be a eastern and southern thing. But crap, California does the same thing with Sierra Nevada pale ale. More bitter then Alaskan IPA; at least to my taste buds. A beer does not need to be a hop bomb to be a IPA. What do I know?? I only have a microbrew every other block here in the Great North West! Peace. Out!!!

**mkringii** · 01-21-2013, 01:53 PM

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Must be a eastern and southern thing. But crap, California does the same thing with Sierra Nevada pale ale. More bitter then Alaskan IPA; at least to my taste buds. A beer does not need to be a hop bomb to be a IPA. What do I know?? I only have a microbrew every other block here in the Great North West! Peace. Out!!!

Yes IPA's can be 80 ibu and have perfectly balanced body so you dont even notice the hops.. but seriously if ur just gunna keep arguing find something better to do with your time (go clean your equipment) talking like "what do i know" seriously... dude i live in GRAND RAPIDS we have finished in to top 10 for beer city usa for last 5 years and won it last year... were hosting AHA conference in 2014 and ranked 22nd best city in the world for beer... the worlds 2nd best beer bar (HOPCAT) is less than a mile from my door.. i have a brewery 525ft from my front door... within a mile of my home there are 5 breweries (including FOUNDERS) within 15 miles we have 12 more to add.. but you dont see me raging on about knowing this and that (til now cuz u pissed me off)

**FATC1TY** · 01-21-2013, 07:15 PM

A beer must certainly be a hop bomb to be an IPA. Thats the point of an IPA. A slightly more bitter pale, more flavor and aroma, essentially a hop bomb.

There is west coast style and east coast. One is unbalanced and more hops, and the other is balanced with more malty sweetness.

But this isn't an IPA, so again.. Whats your point? Have you brewed my clone recipe here? It's a wonderful beer. You can call it an IPA to all your friends and trick them.

**FATC1TY** · 01-21-2013, 07:18 PM

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Yes IPA's can be 80 ibu and have perfectly balanced body so you dont even notice the hops.. but seriously if ur just gunna keep arguing find something better to do with your time (go clean your equipment) talking like "what do i know" seriously... dude i live in GRAND RAPIDS we have finished in to top 10 for beer city usa for last 5 years and won it last year... were hosting AHA conference in 2014 and ranked 22nd best city in the world for beer... the worlds 2nd best beer bar (HOPCAT) is less than a mile from my door.. i have a brewery 525ft from my front door... within a mile of my home there are 5 breweries (including FOUNDERS) within 15 miles we have 12 more to add.. but you dont see me raging on about knowing this and that (til now cuz u pissed me off)

MMmm.. HopCats. I really enjoyed that place for dinner when I was up there for business. Thats where I had the glorious Oddsides Citra Pale, and was served by a really cute chick there too.

**thadius856** · 01-21-2013, 07:46 PM

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Yes IPA's can be 80 ibu and have perfectly balanced body so you dont even notice the hops.. but seriously if ur just gunna keep arguing find something better to do with your time (go clean your equipment) talking like "what do i know" seriously... dude i live in GRAND RAPIDS we have finished in to top 10 for beer city usa for last 5 years and won it last year... were hosting AHA conference in 2014 and ranked 22nd best city in the world for beer... the worlds 2nd best beer bar (HOPCAT) is less than a mile from my door.. i have a brewery 525ft from my front door... within a mile of my home there are 5 breweries (including FOUNDERS) within 15 miles we have 12 more to add.. but you dont see me raging on about knowing this and that (til now cuz u pissed me off)

Location means nothing. There's plenty of ****ty brewers in the top 10 brewing cities, and plenty of amazing brewers in the bottom 10 brewing cities. Location has absolutely nothing to do with skill. The fact that you live in Grand Rapids is pure coincidence to the fact that it's a top brewing city... unless you moved there out of jealousy of famous brewers, in which case you likely have a problem.

OP, this recipe sounds remarkably like Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, though a little ramped up. I'm looking to order hops for now until the fall harvest and I'm pretty interested in your recipe. How would you say it compares to Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, or if you haven't tried it, where can I send a bottle for your opinion?

**thadius856** · 01-21-2013, 07:49 PM

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A beer must certainly be a hop bomb to be an IPA. Thats the point of an IPA. A slightly more bitter pale, more flavor and aroma, essentially a hop bomb.

There is west coast style and east coast. One is unbalanced and more hops, and the other is balanced with more malty sweetness.

But this isn't an IPA, so again.. Whats your point? Have you brewed my clone recipe here? It's a wonderful beer. You can call it an IPA to all your friends and trick them.

Does it necessarily have to be a "hop bomb"? I feel like early IPAs weren't necessarily so, as long as they were able to withstand the voyage to India. Though this does bring up an interesting historical point, of which I'd love to hear if the knowledge is out there.

**FATC1TY** · 01-21-2013, 09:59 PM

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OP, this recipe sounds remarkably like Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, though a little ramped up. I'm looking to order hops for now until the fall harvest and I'm pretty interested in your recipe. How would you say it compares to Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, or if you haven't tried it, where can I send a bottle for your opinion?

I have never had Knee Deep's Citra PA.. I swear I've heard of it though.

This beer has a nice malty backbone to it, very clean profile, with a medium to light body. The bitterness really stays back upon the first sip and then comes out to clean the taste up from being too cloying. The Citra is in the nose, and in the taste the whole way down, and the aftertaste is very clean and citrusy. A nice easy drinking beer at 5.8%.

**FATC1TY** · 01-21-2013, 10:07 PM

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Does it necessarily have to be a "hop bomb"? I feel like early IPAs weren't necessarily so, as long as they were able to withstand the voyage to India. Though this does bring up an interesting historical point, of which I'd love to hear if the knowledge is out there.

Historical IPA and "Todays" IPA are probably not close, I agree.

Today's IPA's are all pretty much just overloaded with hops. Some brewhouses do it different, but for the most part, it's what most craft drinkers what, so they by nature have to make what the masses demand. It's a trend right now, I think. I love very hoppy beers, but I also at times have found that I have a lupulin shift, and nothing is bitter or hoppy enough for me. So I have to back off for a while and go at it again.

It's really just a regional/brewery preference/ what people like right now/ type of thing. Bigger beers, hops out the top of the bottle beers.. Barrel aged.. It's all just trends that come and go.

**thadius856** · 01-22-2013, 01:05 AM

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I have never had Knee Deep's Citra PA.. I swear I've heard of it though.

This beer has a nice malty backbone to it, very clean profile, with a medium to light body. The bitterness really stays back upon the first sip and then comes out to clean the taste up from being too cloying. The Citra is in the nose, and in the taste the whole way down, and the aftertaste is very clean and citrusy. A nice easy drinking beer at 5.8%.

Awesome description. Would you say it has a strong characteristic grapefruit "bite" at the tip of the tongue I'd expect with Citra, or is it a big mellower than that?

**FATC1TY** · 01-22-2013, 02:22 AM

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Awesome description. Would you say it has a strong characteristic grapefruit "bite" at the tip of the tongue I'd expect with Citra, or is it a big mellower than that?

I would actually say the wheat grist, with the layered crystal tosses off the shaper lychee fruit- grapefruit bite back a bit. It's much mellowed, a very smooth Citra flavor. I think it highlights the aroma, and the flavor of Citra very well, without being so wildly hoppy and intense, yet still has the intense flavor of Citra that everyone so much loves.