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Old 07-15-2011, 01:14 AM   #11
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Oh, okay. For me, it really depends on the temperature and how much I've eaten; if it's hot and I'm thirsty, or if I've recently eaten, I like something more light-bodied. Last year I hadn't yet realized this, and only had heavy stuff on tap, so was very dissatisfied over the winter.
AHHH then you may like my Dry Rye Brown Ale, It is very Light and very dry, easy to drink a ton of and not fill up.

Very simple recipe too.

5lbs Rye malt
1.5lbs Crystal Rye
.5lbs Chocolate rye
a crap ton of rice hulls(i used like 3lbs)
3 oz Strisslesplat hops @ 60
3 oz Strisslesplat hops @ 15
Dry hopped at day 23 with 2oz Amarillo( i used 4 oz originally and it was a bit much did a 30 day primary as i always do)

Mash at 145 for 3 hours( i actually did a 7 hour mash just cause i needed sleep lol)

Fermented with k-97 but any yeast will do, as long as it is high attenuation.
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Old 07-15-2011, 02:07 AM   #12
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AHHH then you may like my Dry Rye Brown Ale, It is very Light and very dry, easy to drink a ton of and not fill up.

Very simple recipe too.

5lbs Rye malt
1.5lbs Crystal Rye
.5lbs Chocolate rye
a crap ton of rice hulls(i used like 3lbs)
3 oz Strisslesplat hops @ 60
3 oz Strisslesplat hops @ 15
Dry hopped at day 23 with 2oz Amarillo( i used 4 oz originally and it was a bit much did a 30 day primary as i always do)

Mash at 145 for 3 hours( i actually did a 7 hour mash just cause i needed sleep lol)

Fermented with k-97 but any yeast will do, as long as it is high attenuation.
Wow, I didn't know you could do 100% rye. Does that taste very different from barley malt? I've only used rye once, and it was a much smaller portion.
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Can you do a taste test against Warsteiner dunkel ?
Only when you are tasting both beers can you taste differences between them.
Like one is sweater, more roasty, crisper finish, etc.

Brewing is coming up for me before the end of the month. I'd like to get something real close
to warsteiner for the fall.

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Can you do a taste test against Warsteiner dunkel ?
Only when you are tasting both beers can you taste differences between them.
Like one is sweater, more roasty, crisper finish, etc.

Brewing is coming up for me before the end of the month. I'd like to get something real close
to warsteiner for the fall.
I'll try, but the only place I know where I can get it is a bar where it's on tap. I'll check the local beer shop, though.
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Wow, I didn't know you could do 100% rye. Does that taste very different from barley malt? I've only used rye once, and it was a much smaller portion.
You are only limited by your own willingness to be creative when it comes to brewing. That being said due to the extreme amount of dry hopping the flavor of Amarillo is about all i can pick up but it does taste pretty amazing.
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Can you do a taste test against Warsteiner dunkel ?
Only when you are tasting both beers can you taste differences between them.
Like one is sweater, more roasty, crisper finish, etc.

Brewing is coming up for me before the end of the month. I'd like to get something real close
to warsteiner for the fall.
I found the Warsteiner Dunkel at the nearby beverage center. It's chilling now, so I'll let you know the result of the side-by-side tonight or tomorrow morning
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Results of the side-by-side taste test with the original Warsteiner Dunkel:

Color: Nearly indistinguishable. Slightly redder (Warsteiner is slightly more orange), but only when placed in front of a bright light source.
Clarity: Indistinguishable.
Flavor: Cleaner, but missing what I call the "German Lager Bite," a flavor that I've noticed in multiple German lagers (I had a Spaten Optimator and a Spaten Oktoberfest last night, and they both had it as well). I expect it comes from the yeast, but I cannot be certain. It could simply be the use of a different roasted malt of some kind. (Edit: Someone suggested that this is likely due to decoction mashing, and I am inclined to agree.)
Aroma: Missing the aroma I associate with the "German Lager Bite," but has a very slight hop aroma.
Body: Slightly lighter, but nearly indistinguishable.
SWMBO: Prefers mine, as it has a sweeter aftertaste, where Warsteiner's is more bitter. She did not know which was which until after she expressed her opinion. She does not really like beer, but (as mentioned earlier in the thread), this is one of the three beers she's ever said she liked.

Recommendations: Try dropping the corn and replacing it with Vienna or Munich malt (Warsteiner probably sticks to the Reinheitsgebot). Use German malts instead of American. Use a German lager yeast instead of American. Stick with the 15 minute hop addition (or maybe move to 20 minutes to reduce aroma) instead of 5 minutes.

The choice of American ingredients was originally made because the BJCP Style Guidelines for Dark Lager list Warsteiner Dunkel as an American dark lager. I should have realized that it's a German dark lager that fits the American style guidelines, not actually an American dark lager.

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Excellent !

Thanks for the taste testing. I think that the 'german lager' taste might be due to
decoction mashing. But that is an experiment for another batch...

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Excellent !

Thanks for the taste testing. I think that the 'german lager' taste might be due to
decoction mashing. But that is an experiment for another batch...
Hmm... I hadn't thought of that. I've only done one decoction mash, and didn't really know what to look for in the result... I'll think about trying that next time.
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Also, I just added side-by-side pictures of Warsteiner Dunkel and this next to each other to the original post.

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