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Old 03-08-2011, 11:37 PM   #1
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Default All-Grain - Eliot Ness Vienna Lager Clone

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: WLP 830 German Lager
Yeast Starter: YES 2000ml
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.25
Original Gravity: 1.061
Final Gravity: 1.014
IBU: 29
Boiling Time (Minutes): 60
Color: 12.6 SRM
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 21 Days @ 52 Degrees
Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 30 Days @ 42 Degrees
Tasting Notes: Exactly like Great Lakes Brewing Co. Eliot Ness Amber Lager

Been searching for a recipe for Eliot Ness and came up empty. I took the ingredients that Great Lakes provides in their Eliot Ness Ingredient List and made this clone. This is as close as they come. Brew it up and tell me what you think.

Style: Vienna Lager Brewer: Anthony Vaccani
Batch Size: 5.25 gal
Assistant Brewer: Paul Vaccani
Boil Volume: 6.86 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76.00

Ingredients or IBU
6.25 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (1.7 SRM)
4.00 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)
1.00 lb Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM)
0.5 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)
1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.20 %] (60 min) 13.6 IBU
1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.20 %] (30 min) 10.4 IBU
1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.20 %] (10 min) 4.9 IBU
0.5 oz Hallertauer [4.20 %] (0 min) 0 IBU
1.00 tbsp PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 min)
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min)
1.00 items Yeast Nutrient (Boil 10.0 min)
1 Pkgs German Lager (White Labs #WLP830) [Starter 2000 ml]

Measured Original Gravity: 1.061 SG
Measured Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Estimated Color: 12.6 SRM (10.0-16.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 29.0 IBU
Alpha Acid Units: 8.4 AAU
Actual Alcohol by Volume: 6.13 %
Actual Calories: 273 cal/pint


Mash Profile Name:
Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Mash Tun Weight: 6.00 lb
Mash Grain Weight: 11.76 lb
Mash PH: 5.2 PH
Grain Temperature: 62.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 175.0 F
Sparge Water: 3.99 gal

Mash In Add 17.64 qt of water at 160.7 F 150.0 F 65 min

Can you guess the which one is the real deal?

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Old 03-21-2011, 11:04 AM   #2
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Looks tasty... But, how can this be a "Vienna" lager with no "Vienna" malt?

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Looks tasty... But, how can this be a "Vienna" lager with no "Vienna" malt?
It is very tasty. As for being a Vienna lager, apparently it doesn't specifically need vienna malt to qualify, as the BCJP guidlines cites the Eliot Ness as a commercial example.
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:18 PM   #4
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Both look great, but my vote for the real deal is the one on the right as it's a little clearer.

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Both look great, but my vote for the real deal is the one on the right as it's a little clearer.
Thank you! Actually the one on the right is the clone. They both were cold and the glasses kept sweating, by the time I wiped one off, the other one was covered again.
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Thanks for sharing this recipe, I'm brewing it as we speak, just added the 60min hops, smells awesome!!

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Thinking of brewing this up soon. Any additional suggestions or thoughts.

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Thanks for sharing this recipe, I'm brewing it as we speak, just added the 60min hops, smells awesome!!
Excellent! Please let us know how it all turns out
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Thinking of brewing this up soon. Any additional suggestions or thoughts.
Just make sure that you pitch enough healthy yeast. I can't stress that enough, especially with a bigger lager like this. This as with pretty much any other lager is meant to be clean and crisp.

Other than that, keep the fermentation temp under control and you're all set!
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Just polished off the last of my Keg of this recipe, it was very tasty, I can't wait to brew this again! The flavor of the Caramunich III took center stage for the malt flavors, which I really liked. I did a side by side comparison with mine and the Great Lakes Version and was suprised how close they were, maybe I'm biased but I liked this version more. A++ for the recipe, thanks Newbeerguy for sharing!!

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