[Not a] Bike Pump Keg [Evolution] - Page 13

**Brandon O** · 03-10-2009, 07:27 AM

In my line of work we always say the more data the better.

You can predict off past experience but each experience is unique and this experience is unique, (parts, experience, money).

What you L337 internet DIYers don't understand is, fail or succeed this data is valuable to someboday at some time.

It's obvious this is happening no matter how much of an activist against it you are, (Try getting involved in something of importance).

Settle down.......DIY failure has to happen in order to push the envelope.

SkewedBrewing · 03-11-2009, 05:07 AM

Sigh...

I've read every post in this thread (I'm at work and really bored) and I have to say, I too commend you PizzaMan.

I understand why you're trying to create something like this. However, I have to say making something all plastic just doesn't seem feasible. What's wrong with the ones using copper fittings again?

I know you're going to keep trying no matter what. However, I'd just like to throw in my .02 and say that maybe creating one like some of the other people have posted isn't such a bad idea. Give it a try and maybe make some mods on it to suit it more closely to what you would like?

Some more inspiration (I've always thought these were cool, expensive, but cool):

pizzaman · 03-16-2009, 06:36 PM

Spring break is over, back to work...

My initial epoxy tests failed for a number of reasons. Basically the epoxy I'm working with, and most epoxies, can't stand up to more than about 5-10 psi. I'm trying one final test with it just to be sure, and then I'm moving on. J.B. Weld has a product called "waterweld", which is made for sealing water and air leaks by welding any porous or non-porous material, including plastics. It has a tensile strength of 6,000 psi, compression strength of 12,000 psi, and hardness of 65 psi; more than enough for my application. It's also non-toxic, water-resistant, and has a wide temperature range. 4oz of waterweld is about $5, I'll start testing this as soon as I get a chance to run to the hardware store.

flyangler18 · 03-16-2009, 06:39 PM

You blew right over my earlier suggestion - so I'll say it again. Fass-Frisch 5L mini-kegs are an ideal solution for you. Package your beer in those, prime lightly and use the gravity tap to dispense. Quite easy to finish 1.3 gallons in a weekend.

pizzaman · 03-16-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flyangler18

You blew right over my earlier suggestion - so I'll say it again. Fass-Frisch 5L mini-kegs are an ideal solution for you. Package your beer in those, prime lightly and use the gravity tap to dispense. Quite easy to finish 1.3 gallons in a weekend.

I "blew over" your earlier suggestion because of the fact that you yourself only found out about the mini-keg 5 months ago, and presumably have only been using them for a few months.

**mmb** · 03-16-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pizzaman

I "blew over" your earlier suggestion because of the fact that you yourself only found out about the mini-keg 5 months ago, and presumably have only been using them for a few months.

So you pass over something designed to do exactly what you want at a very reasonable price because the person sugesting it has only been using them for 5 months?

I've been using them for elevinty billion years. Does that make it easier to accept as a solution to a non-existent problem?

**mmb** · 03-16-2009, 08:22 PM

Fine. I've used them, in one form or another, for over 5 years. If it wasn't a cheap, decent solution do you think major breweries would be using them?

You can buy a half dozen at most good beer stores for the cost of the beer they contain. Naturally condition and go or use the stuff you'll otherwise be throwing away when the bottle bomb design fails. Easily available, easy to transport, easy to maintain, doesn't make your beer area look like a meth lab. All "wins" in my book.

pizzaman · 03-16-2009, 09:50 PM

I completely agree with you. 5L mini-kegs are a cheap, disposable, one-time-use solution; like metal cans. Some people have found an effective way to reuse them, the first to do so was probably ridiculed for trying something so ridiculous. I'm confused as to what you are referring to as bombs, are they the plastic containers that every single soda manufacturer in the world uses? Or the plastic containers being sold for use as "party-pigs" and "tap-a-draft" systems by major homebrew supply chains? These bottles are more easily/cheaply available, easier to transport, and easier to maintain, and if one of the bottles does happen to break it costs $1 to replace it. If it makes me a poor cheapskate for wanting to be able to build an effective system so cheaply, meth-lab looking or not, then so be it; I know there are people reading this thread waiting for me to succeed so they can build their own. I'm sorry it's so offensive to you that I'm thinking outside of the box from your one, simple, set way of thinking, but you don't have to read or comment on this thread if it's irritating you so much. Just wait for me to blow myself up and then have another homebrew on me.

Back to the topic now....I'll be heading to the hardware store tomorrow to get me some j.b. waterweld: J-B Weld Company - WATER WELD Product Information

**Schlenkerla** · 03-16-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pizzaman

I completely agree with you. 5L mini-kegs are a cheap, disposable, one-time-use solution; like metal cans. Some people have found an effective way to reuse them, the first to do so was probably ridiculed for trying something so ridiculous. I'm confused as to what you are referring to as bombs, are they the plastic containers that every single soda manufacturer in the world uses? Or the plastic containers being sold for use as "party-pigs" and "tap-a-draft" systems by major homebrew supply chains? These bottles are more easily/cheaply available, easier to transport, and easier to maintain, and if one of the bottles does happen to break it costs $1 to replace it. If it makes me a poor cheapskate for wanting to be able to build an effective system so cheaply, meth-lab looking or not, then so be it; I know there are people reading this thread waiting for me to succeed so they can build their own. I'm sorry it's so offensive to you that I'm thinking outside of the box from your one, simple, set way of thinking, but you don't have to read or comment on this thread if it's irritating you so much. Just wait for me to blow myself up and then have another homebrew on me.

Back to the topic now....I'll be heading to the hardware store tomorrow to get me some j.b. waterweld: J-B Weld Company - WATER WELD Product Information

You know that you are more or less reinventing the wheel so you need to take some of the criticism with a grain of salt.

5L mini-kegs are reusable as are the TAD bottles. You just need to take special care in the cleaning of them and not overcarb them.

As for bombs, I think it goes so the fact that you earlier tried using non-rated regulators for CO2. I believe they were for compressed air. Not to mention you have commented on your trial and error with adhesives and corks. A number of people have warned you about the dangers.

I think people are astounded by the amount of effort you putting into this for something that is commonly available off the shelf.

My suggestion to you is to hold off on your posts until you have a working model to demo. I think if you have that people will address this differently. Right now they are just thinking its a phenomenal waste of time. Prove them wrong if you can with something that works and is simple.

My $0.02

pizzaman · 03-16-2009, 10:58 PM

too much apfelwein...