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**Wayne1** · 09-23-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Boerderij_Kabouter

Wait wait wait. So you don't pay tax on beer sold at the brewery? You could put in a bar like most micros and not get taxed for sales???

Federal taxes are determined when your beer is placed in a Tax Determination Tank. Removal is when the tax determined beer leaves the tank. It doesn't matter what method is used to remove the beer from the brewery.

**HBHoss** · 09-23-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by knightbeer39

Congrats! Time to starting living the dream! So are you going to stick to a couple of key styles/recipes, or try a variety?

I'm going to start out with a variety until I get enough feed back to any one particular style. Then I'll keep that style as a constant but still cycle through other styles just to keep it interesting.

**HBHoss** · 09-23-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne1

Federal taxes are determined when your beer is placed in a Tax Determination Tank. Removal is when the tax determined beer leaves the tank. It doesn't matter what method is used to remove the beer from the brewery.

And my understanding is that a Tax Determination Tank is my kegs. I'll have kegs marked for record keeping and regardless of where or when the beer leaves that keg, it's taxed because it was filled. My Seller's Permit is for the shop downtown and not for the Brewery. I may get a second permit for the Brewery if I want to have a tasting room there but I'm not sure I want to deal with the traffic of people at my home just yet.

Gordie · 09-23-2009, 05:45 PM

Hey HBHoss - Congrats! That's awesome. Hell yeah. I run my tax determination basically the same way, designating any primed keg tax determined. Remember if you sell beer to someone who's going to drink it, you're going to have to pay sales tax. The state will constantly remind you, though, so it'd be hard to really forget.

Hooray beer!

Gordie.

**HBHoss** · 09-23-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordie

Hey HBHoss - Congrats! That's awesome. Hell yeah. I run my tax determination basically the same way, designating any primed keg tax determined. Remember if you sell beer to someone who's going to drink it, you're going to have to pay sales tax. The state will constantly remind you, though, so it'd be hard to really forget.

Hooray beer!

Gordie.

Ya, it's kinda scary now knowing this is actually happening. In an exciting sort of way, of course.

**HBHoss** · 09-23-2009, 11:22 PM

6 X 10 cold room framing.

lucky2balive · 09-23-2009, 11:27 PM

Most excellent! I'm up in Mariposa once a month now for guide dog training with my daughter. I'll have to stop by and we can share a couple of home/pro brews!

**HBHoss** · 09-23-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky2balive

Most excellent! I'm up in Mariposa once a month now for guide dog training with my daughter. I'll have to stop by and we can share a couple of home/pro brews!

That sounds great.

**defenestrate** · 09-24-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HBHoss

There are web sites that list all the permits and licenses etc.. necessary. I'm still dealing with the state and feds but it's all going well. They're not used to such a small operation. Right now I'm basically a homebrewer wanting to sell his beer. I don't have all the numbers but it's something like .20/gallon excise tax, $1,000 Surety Bond, around $400 for upfront taxes and license fees. I still need to get a label okayed from both state and feds. Everyone wants a piece of the pie.

would you mind listing some of the websites you used? i'm in NJ and am in the infancy of planning a possible venture. i've spent time on the ttb website but if there are any others you can share, please do!

ps, this thread is awesome, inspiring and nerve wrecking all at once

knightbeer39 · 09-24-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HBHoss

I'm going to start out with a variety until I get enough feed back to any one particular style. Then I'll keep that style as a constant but still cycle through other styles just to keep it interesting.

Sounds like a plan. Good luck!!