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Old 12-07-2009, 02:02 AM   #311
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You go Scott, all the best with your hobby / business.
Question, you get any snow at all in Mariposa? Were being
hammered by a storm as I type as well the passes closed
with snow falling. Islands still afloat above water.
Not much snow but we're supposed to get some Monday.
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Finally sat down and read this thread Hoss. Very inspiring! You mention several times about the size of your batches for startup. One story that I just finished reading kept flashing into my mind. Dogfish Head started out with 5 gallon batches, and what are they now? somewhere around 10,000 bbls! His book "Brewing Up a Business" is an excellent read for many specifics in the growth of a brewery. In his case, he started out with just a brewpub and now has one of the larger microbrews in the US after 15 years in the biz.

Another comment I had was on the IRS issue of time limit for profit. I believe this misconception comes from the relatively recent rule ('90s I think) that you can no longer use one business as a write off for another. In other words, if you already have one business in place, and then start a brewery, there is a time limit on how long you can write of the loss from the second business. You can continue that second biz as long as you wish (or can manage) without 'showing' a profit. Just can't utilize the losses after what I thought was 3 years... maybe it is 5?!.

But it's great to see that you have a 'demand' for your beers... marketing can be the most critical aspect of a biz like this, so you've already got a great start.

We're seeing a similar response in our area, with one hotel and one retailer already interested in product. Might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' in our situation!

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Old 12-08-2009, 04:12 PM   #313
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Didn't make it to the shop on Monday, too much snow and ice. Hoping it's all cleared up by tomorrow so we can get to work. I'm still planning on taking pictures and posting them.

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Old 12-08-2009, 04:26 PM   #314
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Finally sat down and read this thread Hoss. Very inspiring! You mention several times about the size of your batches for startup. One story that I just finished reading kept flashing into my mind. Dogfish Head started out with 5 gallon batches, and what are they now? somewhere around 10,000 bbls! His book "Brewing Up a Business" is an excellent read for many specifics in the growth of a brewery. In his case, he started out with just a brewpub and now has one of the larger microbrews in the US after 15 years in the biz.

Another comment I had was on the IRS issue of time limit for profit. I believe this misconception comes from the relatively recent rule ('90s I think) that you can no longer use one business as a write off for another. In other words, if you already have one business in place, and then start a brewery, there is a time limit on how long you can write of the loss from the second business. You can continue that second biz as long as you wish (or can manage) without 'showing' a profit. Just can't utilize the losses after what I thought was 3 years... maybe it is 5?!.

But it's great to see that you have a 'demand' for your beers... marketing can be the most critical aspect of a biz like this, so you've already got a great start.

We're seeing a similar response in our area, with one hotel and one retailer already interested in product. Might be a case of 'careful what you wish for' in our situation!
I have read some articles from the Dogfish and it is a good read.

The 5 year thing could be old info that I've had stuck in my mind for some reason. I'm hoping to show a profit sooner than 5 years anyway.

I really did go into this with just a low expectation that I would sell some beer to tourists and cover my costs but then I heard how disappointed people were in the lack of a good local brew. Now I just have to come through with a product they like and can consistently produce.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for your comments.
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I'm hoping to show a profit sooner than 5 years anyway.
It's great to 'make' profit...... but hell, you don't have to *show* it!!!
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It's great to 'make' profit...... but hell, you don't have to *show* it!!!
Hahahahaha!
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Old 12-10-2009, 03:20 PM   #317
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Here's a couple of pics of the shop.

Not much has changed but this is a shot from across the street.
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This shows where I'll be in relation to my brother who will be to the left of the picture and another person selling almond rocka will be at the end.
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Looks like you are right next to the local newspaper. Those reporters could write a nice review if they were treated well

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Looks like you are right next to the local newspaper. Those reporters could write a nice review if they were treated well
And they will be. The owner of the paper is who we pay our rent to.
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Subscribed, very interesting.

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