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Old 04-12-2013, 03:25 AM   #131
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Holy guacamole! How is that happening? Is that the bigger pump and the smaller exit diameter?

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Old 04-12-2013, 04:05 AM   #132
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Holy guacamole! How is that happening? Is that the bigger pump and the smaller exit diameter?
I'm not a fountain expert, but I can estimate that it's a few things working in tandem.

The larger pump (1/3HP) has better GPM ratings across the middle of the of the pump's performance curve, and therefore pressure at a given height. It's not the be-all-end-all, but the power is definitely contributing.

It's also the 1" input into the system. Effectively, I've doubled the possible amount of water that can enter into the manifold from the pump at any given time and it all wants to get out in a hurry. The fittings probably also contribute a little bit, since they're designed to constrict water flow without disrupting the flow.

But the 1/4 drilled caps (to 1/8") are the magic, because it's what is creating the final amount of back pressure against the pump. I'm also using 3/8" copper risers, which allows more water to push against the final restriction at each riser.

I suspect you could get even squeak a bit more performance from the pump if you used a 1-1/4" input into the manifold and 3/4" CPVC for the manifold. That's a pain for me, though, because it's harder to find 1-1/4" CPVC where I live.
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Old 04-12-2013, 06:29 AM   #133
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Yeah just gonna say this doesn't actually seem like a "lazy" project.

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Old 04-12-2013, 12:10 PM   #134
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Where was this DIY before I switched over to kegs!!!

Simply Amazing MalFet!!

I wish I saw this before I switched over to kegs. This is truly a great idea and so easy to do.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:28 AM   #135
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It's finally completed! Thanks for the inspiration, Malfet. I'm really happy with my design. My unit turned out to be considerably more expensive, difficult and challenging...but I think it's worth it in the end. Here's my parts list:

Container, Pump & Output:
(1) Sizable Rubbermaid Container - $20ish
(1) Superior Pump 1/3HP Utility Pump (Same as Malfet, but 1/3HP version) - $59
(1) 1-1/4" Lead Free Brass or SS Coupler - $11
(1) 1-1/4" x 1" Lead Free Brass or SS Reducer Bushing - $10
(1) 1" MIPS x 1" Slip CPVC Fitting - $2.50

Note: The above output could be optimized if you can find a 1" FIPS x 1" Slip adapter

Sub Total: $102.50

Manifold:
(~8") 1" CPVC Pipe - $1.50 ($14.60/10ft)
(1) 1" 90* Elbow - $1.64
(1) 1" CPVC Tee - $2.73
(2) 1" x 3/4" CPVC Bushing - $1.76
(2) 3/4" x 1/2" CPVC Bushing (or Qty 2 1" x 1/2" CPVC Bushing) - $1.04
(~15') 1/2" CPVC Pipe - $5.80 ($3.91/10ft)
(28) 1/2" CPVC Tees - $8.96
(4) 1/2" CPVC 90* Elbows - $1.84
(1) Jar CPVC Glue - $4.00

Sub Total: $29.27

Copper Risers:
(24) 1/2" x 1/4" Copper Reducer Couplings - $39.60
(24) 5" Lengths of 3/8" Copper Tubing - $12.93 ($25.86/20ft)
(24) 1/4" Copper Caps - $27.12
(24) 3/8" to 7/16" SS Clamps (Optional, CPVC glue if not) - $12.00

Sub Total: $91.65
(Now you know why I spent the cash to make these removable!)

CPVC Manifold Stand:
(4) 3/4" 90* CPVC Right Elbows - $1.72
(4) 3/4" CPVC Tees - $2.28
(~5') 3/4" CPVC - $3.15 ($6.29/10ft)

Sub Total: $7.15

Bottle Stand:
(4) 24" 1"x3" Furring Strips - $2.00
(2) 24" 2"x4" - $1.50 ($3.00/8ft)

Sub Total: $3.50

Grand Total: $234.07(ish)

For a couple more bucks, you can make a fermenter/keg cleaner as well from the same pump. So it's pretty economical if you look at it that way.

I know that I, personally, spent a fair bit more than the above price, by probably close to $50. I go out of my way to support smaller, local businesses most of the time and therefore I pay more. But that's what you'd pay if you went to your average Lowes or Home Depot.

If you all have any questions, let me know.
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Old 04-14-2013, 01:03 AM   #136
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revco - NICE!

What was your final cost if you don't mind?

I'm totally building one once I can get things sorted around here!

Thanks to everyone on this thread that has shared their experiences on building their versions. Quite inspiring!

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Old 04-14-2013, 01:24 AM   #137
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I haven't finished calculating it, but I suspect, in all, close to $200 give or take. Some of the stuff I all ready had and I had all the necessary tools.

It's probably more than a lot of people want to spend, when a tub of oxyclean is all you really need, but I really wanted to get away from that mess somehow. I'm managing around 30 cases of bottles, so something had to be done and I'm not convinced that kegging is right for me.

I'm really happy with how it turned out, overall, and so long as it holds up over time, it'll be well worth the investment.

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Old 04-14-2013, 03:31 PM   #138
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nicely done, imma build one....may make a few more mods. I'd love to figure out how to add some filtration w/o reducing the flow rate. I'd also like to mod the tube tips to work more like sprinkler heads. nice project and what's better...no rush. me thinks it will be a six-banger and I will clean them as I use them.....don't want to store up 24 "dirty" bottles.....

and many thanks to you and Malfet for sharing.

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Old 04-14-2013, 05:30 PM   #139
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nicely done, imma build one....may make a few more mods. I'd love to figure out how to add some filtration w/o reducing the flow rate. I'd also like to mod the tube tips to work more like sprinkler heads. nice project and what's better...no rush. me thinks it will be a six-banger and I will clean them as I use them.....don't want to store up 24 "dirty" bottles.....

and many thanks to you and Malfet for sharing.
After I finished mine, I was actually thinking about how a 6 or 12 bottle unit could be a little more functional in some cases. It would also presumably require less pump and obviously less investment overall.

I looked at a lot of tips (like TeeJets), but they added considerable dollars to the overall project. I also didn't know how to calculate the final PSI across a multi-output vessel like this, so I couldn't even begin to determine if I was close to the recommended range or not. That was actually one of the reasons I made my risers removable, was such that some day I could possibly look into options like that.

Good luck to all!
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:08 AM   #140
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I just made one based on your design. I used rubber grommets to connect from the cpvc to the copper. I also went with the pump recommended but the 1/3 hp one. Got it all together and works great! My one question is do you think there will be any leaching of chemicals from the rubber grommets? I do not think they are food grade however they came with limited information. The grommets have a "tire" smell out of the bag.

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