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chadbraun 07-19-2012 12:35 AM

keg lines
 
I have been getting an off bitter flavor with my kegged beers. Took everything apart and cleaned the tap handles and kegs and all that is left is getting new beer lines. My question is can you use any old 3/16 ID vinyl tubing you can get at home depot or do you need to order it from morebeer or some other website. Also I was wondering at the braided tubing would work. I know the braided is better for higher pressures but dont know if it would be better than the vinyl for the beer out line. Any advice?

carlisle_bob 07-19-2012 12:47 AM

Hi

You want thick wall tubing. You can / might have enough pressure running around that thin wall might be a poor choice. Flexible tube is a bit less of a pain than braided. Most setups will have 10 to 15 feet of tube, some of which gets coiled up.

There are a number of places that sell the real food rated thick wall stuff at < 30 cents a foot. Cheap enough compared to a lot of what goes into one of these setups.

That of course ignores the question of weather it's the lines at all. Not actually seeing what you have done, that's a bit hard to second guess.

Bob

cwi 07-19-2012 02:29 AM

You want 'barrier line'- Accuflex Bev-seal Ultra. It is available from a few online HB shops in 1ft increments and 100ft bundles in 3/16". This is what bars use, only in 1/4" because they run ~50' lines. It is both less expensive and better than crappy plastic taste infusing vinyl lines.

Do a search on here for the numerous threads on it. Don't be scared of those who couldn't figure out how to get it over standard 3/16" (1/4" actual diameter) barbs- it is not that hard to do. Don't fall into the trap of buying 3/16" actual outside diameter (1/8" size) nipples/barbs, the internal diameter (<1/8") is too small and can create a foam monster.

The days of the bulk buys are over since some shops started offering the 100ft bundles for not much more than the bulk buys.

Hoppylikerabbits 07-19-2012 02:32 AM

I use this stuff and its awesome!! http://www.farmhousebrewingsupply.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=300

cwi 07-19-2012 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoppylikerabbits (Post 4262270)

Exactly. That is the stuff I referenced.

So few HB shops carry this, I believe there is a conspiracy by them to keep us buying the more expensive $.60-1.50/ft crappy plastic tasting vinyl line. It allows them to at least double their profits on the front end, and extract even more money on the back end when you buy all kinds of crazy brewing aids and replacement bev line to try to get rid of the bandaid taste in your beer.

BOBrob 07-20-2012 07:59 AM

Check with the beer and wine Distibuters in your area. they are usually glad to sell you as much of the same line used in the bars at a very reasonable price (CHEAP) along with tank refill and rental deals. What ever you need, they have in supply. Cheers:)

cwi 07-20-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BOBrob (Post 4265285)
Check with the beer and wine Distibuters in your area. they are usually glad to sell you as much of the same line used in the bars at a very reasonable price (CHEAP) along with tank refill and rental deals. What ever you need, they have in supply. Cheers:)

That would be great except bars *only* use 1/4" as general rule, and some still use crappy vinyl. If you don't want to use 50' per tap, and/or also have 3 times the plastic taste to enjoy, get the exact stuff linked and mentioned earlier- 3/16" Accuflex Bev-Seal Ultra. And use barbs that have 3/16" ID (~1/4" OD). They will be tricky to install the first time you try, but it gets easier once you get a process down.

The 3/16" was not even in circulation until very recently when somebody bought some old stock from the original run that never sold. It was going to be the last of its kind, but they did another run for an early bulk order. At least that is how the legend goes.

BOBrob 07-21-2012 04:30 AM

It was just a suggestion, never hurts to ask. I did and got 25 ft. 3/16 beverage line for cheap to fit my pinlocks. I have 6 used, corny keg at $10 each plus a 20 lb. O2 tank with gauge, tubing and party tap for a cost of around $100. All from local distibuters. The pin locks are no longer in use and they are often part full and pressurized; I can get a tank cheaper than fittings. If you look you may have a pleasant suprise. Cheers all:)

cwi 07-21-2012 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BOBrob (Post 4267906)
It was just a suggestion, never hurts to ask. I did and got 25 ft. 3/16 beverage line for cheap to fit my pinlocks. I have 6 used, corny keg at $10 each plus a 20 lb. O2 tank with gauge, tubing and party tap for a cost of around $100. All from local distibuters. The pin locks are no longer in use and they are often part full and pressurized; I can get a tank cheaper than fittings. If you look you may have a pleasant suprise. Cheers all:)

Pour yourself the first ~2 oz. from a faucet that hasn't been used for a day or more, and see if you still like your vinyl bev line. And I would be surprised if you got your bev line for less than ~.35/ft, which is what the barrier line costs shipped. Most vinyl retails for at least twice that. Even if you did get it cheaper, it is doubtful they continue to be that friendly if a horde of homebrewtalkers come a pounding on their door looking for the cheap cornies, bev line, CO2 tanks, etc.

The barrier line is a perfect fit for homebrewers, since we have taps that sit idle for relatively long periods. It being cheaper then vinyl bev line is a bonus. You can also theoretically run rootbeer through it, then beer, but I still wouldn't try it.

The odds of a local bev distributor having 3/16 barrier line are almost zero. Up until a few months ago, the only way to get it was straight from the one manufacturer or its distributor. A few online HBS carry it now. Read my conspiracy theory a few posts back as to why more don't carry it. The only part I feel is really true is that they will lose money because the superior product is 50% less than what they currently sell. It being more difficult to install probably factors into it as well, since they cater to a lot of newbies. Definitely worth the effort though.

dallasdb 07-21-2012 06:36 AM

A couple guys mentioned it being hard to install. Not sure if you use this method but it goes on like butter if you just put the end in HOT water for 30 seconds before installing. Makes it pliable and slips on easy.


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