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Old 02-02-2011, 10:17 PM   #1
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Is there any automated valves out there for high pressure? I am constructing a Brutus 10 clone but have all high pressure burners and regulator. Any ideas? Looking for a pilot lights and valves..

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Old 02-03-2011, 12:48 AM   #2
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this might help,
First a picture of "BeerThirtys" rig gas plumbing http://www.homebrewtalk.com/gallery/...e=brew22&cat=1, next a diagram for electric ignition module wiring http://picasaweb.google.com/kevin.la...37998508461298 the pilot burner solenoid is operator 1, and burner solenoid valve is operator 2. Next is a link for the ignition module http://www.pexsupply.com/Honeywell-S...trol-4584000-p, then the pilot light assembly http://www.pexsupply.com/Honeywell-Q...BCR-18-orifice, you need the LP orifice shown to make it burn correctly. Next the solenoid valves for the pilot assembly http://www.fremontindustrialsupply.c...ormally/Detail, then the main burner solenoid valve http://www.fremontindustrialsupply.c...ve-ASCO/Detail. This should do to regulate the flow to the pilot burner http://www.fremontindustrialsupply.c...control/Detail, and the 3/8" version for the main burner. Finally a transformer to power the ignition module http://www.pexsupply.com/Honeywell-A...40VA-4559000-p. If you plan to do more than one module you can use this transformer to light 2 at once and have up to 3 running at same time from one transformer http://www.pexsupply.com/Honeywell-A...5VA-11016000-p. This is the electric ignition route that others have used with success. If you have additional questions just ask and I will try and help as much as possible.
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Old 02-03-2011, 02:16 AM   #3
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Can you just have the pilot light feed off your main line or does the intermittent Pilot Control everything? Are you using Love controllers with the solenoid valves?

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Old 02-03-2011, 02:39 AM   #4
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If you want a real high pressure pilot light valve you could get one of this (but they are expensive!).

Baso H19 High Pressure Propane Valve ~25psi

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

If you are going for it, make an offer. You will probably get it for much less than the asking price. When I bought my valve, I got it at a significant discount (remember, only suckers pay sticker price )

Many people just use a manual valve for the pilot light and a gas rated solenoid valve to control the gas. That works too! It's your choice...

Hope this helps.

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Old 02-03-2011, 02:51 AM   #5
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Can you just have the pilot light feed off your main line or does the intermittent Pilot Control everything? Are you using Love controllers with the solenoid valves?
The pilots and burners both have solenoids which wire directly to the ignition module, not the temperature controller. The ignition module power is switched on by the temperature controller of your choice and should be powered by a 40VA minimum 24 VAC transformer for one module, 75 VA for 2 modules. The solenoids prevent one of those "Doh" moments if you forgot to shut off pilot gas and something else lights off the escaping propane that gathered. The solenoids I chose have 24 volt "AC" coils which are compatible with the ignition module 24 VAC output to the valves, and are way cheaper than the ASCO equivalents. Do not try "DC" coils in an "AC" system as they will not work because coil and internal piston are not able to develop enough pull to open correctly, and usually buzz and then burn up in a few minutes.
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Those valves from Valves for Projects are a very poor choice. The Baso H19 is designed for high pressure propane and with the safety shut-off is more expensive but is much safer.

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The H19 Series high pressure valves provide complete shutoff in the event that the flame heating the thermocouple is extinguished. These high-pressure valves are designed for commercial and industrial applications such as heaters, crop dryers, etc, and are suitable for pressures up to 25 psi. They can be used with natural and LP gas. Sizes available are 1/4" NPT and 3/8" NPT.
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Those valves from Valves for Projects are a very poor choice. The Baso H19 is more expensive but is much safer.

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Very poor choice? Maybe for you, but not for me. I've been using one of their valves for a long time with no problems at all. It's safe enough for me, but then I do not run the burners unattended. There is no way I would pay $250 for a gas valve. I'll take my chances with the $35 valve. I thrive living on the edge, but it's certainly not for everyone.

Lots of people are using non-thermocouple shut-off equipped gas valves. I think even Lonnie Mac did so with his now famous Brutus rig. IIRC, he used non-thermocouple equipped Asco gas valves which are similar to the valves from Valves4projects.
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Very poor choice? Maybe for you, but not for me. I've been using one of their valves for a long time with no problems at all. It's safe enough for me, but then I do not run the burners unattended. There is no way I would pay $250 for a gas valve. I'll take my chances with the $35 valve. I thrive living on the edge, but it's certainly not for everyone.

Lots of people are using non-thermocouple shut-off equipped gas valves. I think even Lonnie Mac did so with his now famous Brutus rig. IIRC, he used non-thermocouple equipped Asco gas valves which are similar to the valves from Valves4projects.
We can agree to disagree. I would feel a whole bunch safer with an auto shutoff FWIW especially when brewing outdoors especially with propane.
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