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Old 08-09-2012, 03:42 PM   #141
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This is my second thread designed to help those who may be building a new brewery. I was asked some of these questions recently and decided it would be handy information to have documented on the forum. Again, before I get flamed, I am not insinuating anyone reading this forum or post is a dummy.

The system below utilizes a Honeywell Y8610U intermittent pilot propane or natural gas valve kit (Intermittent Pilot Retrofit Kit). I feel this method may be a touch safer than the Brutus 10 method because there is no concearn over your pilot blowing out.

The Y8610U includes the following features:

• Y8610U kits can be used with either natural or LP gas.

• Y8610U provides a 90 second maximum ignition trial, shuts off, waits six minutes nominal, then reinitiates the pilot ignition sequence. The ignition trial, shutoff, and wait cycle repeat until the pilot lights or the call for heat ends.

• Y8610U kits can be used with either natural or LP gas; it provides timed trial for ignition and 100 percent pilot shutoff on loss of flame.

Each Y8610U kit includes:

— S8610U Intermittent Pilot Module.
— VR8304M Dual Valve Combination Gas Control.
— 392431 Igniter-Sensor* (Not used for this Application you will need to purchase a Q345A1313. See Below).
— 394800-30 Ignition Cable.
— 393691 Natural to LP Gas Conversion Kit.
— Wiring Harness.
— 393690-14 Straight Flange Kit (3/4 in.) .
— Reducer adapters for gas control.
— Adhesive mounting option for S8610.
— Installation hardware.

You will also need a Pilot Burner and Orifice.

— Q345A1313 Pilot Burner/Sensor Assembly.
— 390868-1 0.010" Orifice for Q345A1313.


The diagram below describes a low pressure propane system designed to control the temperature of a HLT. It can be used to control the temperature of any of the three vessels in your brewery. IMPORTANT: This system is designed for low pressure propane or Natural Gas. If using Propane, please make sure your propane regulator is set for 11 WC or less than 0.5 lbs pressure. Please make sure you read and understand the instructions accompanying the Y8610U kit from Honeywell before proceding. The information presented in this post can be found in that document also.

The Y8610U can be purchased from Patriot Supply. Their Ebay Store is (Patriot Supply Ebay Store).

The SYL4352 and Thermocouple can be purchased from Auber Instruments. Their URL is (Auber Instruments Website).

Ok so after being on the phone with Auber for awhile I'm returning my SLY-4352 as listed above, the 4352 is for use with SSR control and will not work as configured above, According to auber I needed the SLY-4342 for relay. The 4352 works great when you are using a SSR for something like controlling a RIMS tube...

One of you smarter guys can probably prove me wrong on this I just thought I would put it out there so some guys aren't in the same boat as I am with this.
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Old 08-11-2012, 08:42 PM   #142
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Got the new PID as soon as I wired in the SLY-4342 everthing worked perfect. Thanks for all the help everyone!

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Old 09-28-2012, 02:17 AM   #143
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Reviving an old thread, where are you guys getting your 24VAC power supplies? I ordered one only to find out the seller listed it incorrectly and was actually DC, now I'm having a hell of a time on ebay trying to find either a new power supply or something to convert the DC back to AC

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Old 09-28-2012, 02:24 AM   #144
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Don't worry about converting DC back to AC. That's a lost cause. What you want is a 120V/24V transformer, not a power supply. How many valves are you trying to power with the transformer? That will dictate how large of a transformer you need.

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Old 09-28-2012, 02:35 AM   #145
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2 valves

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Old 09-28-2012, 04:39 AM   #146
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Transformers are sized in VA (volt amps).

Most of the Honeywell valves draw 0.5A. So, two valves would draw 1A. 1A x 24V = 24VA. However, you will want a transformer a bit larger than 24 VA to cover inrush currents when the valves turn on.

A transformer like this should cover you, but I recommend you confirm the amp draw on your valves.
http://www.pexsupply.com/Rheem-46-25107-02-40VA-Transformer-120V-24V

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Old 09-29-2012, 09:20 AM   #147
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Thats the exact one I got, it works great.

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Old 03-18-2013, 06:32 PM   #148
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Can someone please confirm that the SYL4352 PID is the correct one for this application and NOT the SYL4342? I ordered two SYL2352 (same as the 4352, just smaller) and now I'm worried they're the wrong ones. Want to make sure before I try wiring anything.

This is the one I ordered: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_ id=3

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Can someone please confirm that the SLY-4342 PID is the correct one for this application and NOT the SLY-4252? I ordered two SLY-2252 (same as the 4252, just smaller) and now I'm worried they're the wrong ones. Want to make sure before I try wiring anything.
I don't see either the 2252 or the 4252 listed on Auberins' website or anywhere in a google search. I am a chemical engineer who works with CEMS equipment and I have a lot of experience with PIDs and control signaling. Are you sure that's the model number you bought because I am unable to find any reference to help you. Either PM me with a manual or a link to the manual and I could help. If not, check the model number again and make sure to list the correct one that you purchased.

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I made a typo in the part numbers. Please see the corrected post above.

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