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Old 03-15-2010, 07:14 PM   #1
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The damn welder placed the heating elements too high on my Kettle. Just under half way up.

When I tested it they brought my water to a boil in 8min. Which is awesome.... too bad it only boiled half the water! The tempature at the bottom of the kettle was only 160. I can get the tempature up my stirring the water.... but is the water at the bottom going to boil the whole time once it hits 212 or will it drop back off...

I guess I'll find out on Tuesday..

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The damn welder placed the heating elements too high on my Kettle. Just under half way up.

When I tested it they brought my water to a boil in 8min. Which is awesome.... too bad it only boiled half the water! The tempature at the bottom of the kettle was only 160. I can get the tempature up my stirring the water.... but is the water at the bottom going to boil the whole time once it hits 212 or will it drop back off...

I guess I'll find out on Tuesday..
That really sucks. I find it best to provide a lot of guidance, drawings, whatever you can when you have welders, electricians, plumbers, or anything else do work for you. When I had my 3 kettles welded, I marked each of the locations on the kettles and what type of fitting was needed. Keep the guess-work out. Welders might not understand exactly what you are doing... but if you tell them that you need the coupling welded in as low as possible, and as horizontally as possible, with a marking of where you would like it... it's better than "weld this fitting in the side."

Hopefully you can just plug it and place a new one lower... if it was his/her error they'd probably to the re-work for free.

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The damn welder placed the heating elements too high on my Kettle. Just under half way up.

When I tested it they brought my water to a boil in 8min. Which is awesome.... too bad it only boiled half the water! The tempature at the bottom of the kettle was only 160. I can get the tempature up my stirring the water.... but is the water at the bottom going to boil the whole time once it hits 212 or will it drop back off...

I guess I'll find out on Tuesday..
I have a feeling it will stay much cooler at the bottom. Hot water rises and cold sinks it wont mix all that well
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I found the hard way that if you're dropping the work off, you want to sharpie all over the place showing what goes where. They will forget any verbal instructions you give, even if they nod "yes" the whole time.

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Bah, I think it'll be fine. The convective currents that set up in there should be nice and well mixed. How long was the top boiling when you measured 160 at the bottom?

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Bah, I think it'll be fine. The convective currents that set up in there should be nice and well mixed. How long was the top boiling when you measured 160 at the bottom?
Maybe if you're always heating at least 10 gallons, but if it takes 6-7 gallons to submerge your element ... yikes!
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I marked that thing up like crazy! I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion to weld in the middle. Anyway I'll have no problems with running dry. Both elements are well below the 5 gallon mark. The guy did give me my money back...

But yes my main problem is having hot water raise. Anything below the element is not being circulated. If I stir it it should be around boiling temps... but that would mean stiring it every couple minutes. Unless once it's at boiling it holds temp. I unfortunatly don't have a way of measuring that.

Think I could bend the elements down?

I'll take some pics when I get home.

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I found the hard way that if you're dropping the work off, you want to sharpie all over the place showing what goes where. They will forget any verbal instructions you give, even if they nod "yes" the whole time.
Good to know Bobby, I am going to have my cousins dad do the welding, and plasma cutting of my kegs. I've known him since I was a kid, and he is an awesome fabricator, but I had rough times sourcing some nice looking kegs, so I don't want to leave anything to chance, even to someone I know is capable and trust.

However, I'll be there to supervise the entire time, so along with sharpie marker and finger pointing, I am confident my fittings will be placed accordingly.

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I marked that thing up like crazy! I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion to weld in the middle. Anyway I'll have no problems with running dry. Both elements are well below the 5 gallon mark. The guy did give me my money back...

But yes my main problem is having hot water raise. Anything below the element is not being circulated. If I stir it it should be around boiling temps... but that would mean stiring it every couple minutes. Unless once it's at boiling it holds temp. I unfortunatly don't have a way of measuring that.

Think I could bend the elements down?

I'll take some pics when I get home.
Again, that whole thing is self mixing, or should be. As your element heats the water, and that water rises, cooler water from below is sucked upwards. Warmer water will flow down the sides of the pot to replace the cooler water. How do you know the water near the bottom is only at 160°F, and how long was it at a boil when you measured this?

Convective currents look like this:


The water should mix itself...
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The water will mix itself. unless you've managed to create a physics-defying keggle Should be fine, and if you've acheived a rolling boil then I wouldn't worry about the temps.

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