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Old 02-06-2011, 09:14 PM   #1
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I have been looking to build a single tier system to put in my garage. For that reason I have been focusing on an electric system. I also think it can be pretty efficient. After some research, and trying to keep it as efficient as possible, can a two keggle system match a standard three vessel system.

I am trying to make it pretty simple so I can brew behind my bar while enjoying the time with my friends. I have been brewing with a simple pot on the oven system for a few batches and I am looking to start building my system. Just finishing up the bar now, so I am hoping to get it done before this summer. Any help from the highly experienced brewers here would be helpful.

I am looking to possibly automate it completely... except the grain and hops dumps. Not sure how possible that is, but we will see right? I think the automation will be a work in progress, but if possible i would like to purchase equipment now that will work with the automation later.

Does this seem like it will work out or am I completely missing something?

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Old 02-06-2011, 09:26 PM   #2
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Default Steps for all-grain process:

1. Measure out strike water in HTL and heat to strike temperature
2. Add weighted grain to MLT
3. Dough in using strike water
4. Circlulate water through HERMS to maintain temperature
5. Turn off temperature and drain water out of HLT
6.Transfer wort to HLT or "Brew Kettle"
7. Heat to boil
8. Add hops at designated time periods
9. Clean grain out of MLT
10. Add water to MLT and align valves for HERMS
11. At final hops addition add ice to MLT
12. After boil is complete, turn of heating element and recirculate icy water using HERMS
13. Once the wort cools, rack to fermenter
14. Once wort is safely enclosed with airlock, clean both vessels and rinse.

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Old 02-06-2011, 09:34 PM   #3
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Sticking to only two vessel's will limit your sparging options, because the HLT has to be empty, before you can starting running off from MLT to BK. You can get better efficiency with multiple batch sparge or fly sparging, but that requires three vessels.

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Old 02-06-2011, 09:57 PM   #4
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Been fly sparring with a two vessel system for about twenty batches now. Works just fine. I can do up to ten gallons of a 1.050 wort. My HLT / kettle is 15 gallons and my MLT is a Coleman cooler

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Old 02-06-2011, 10:45 PM   #5
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Been fly sparring with a two vessel system for about twenty batches now. Works just fine. I can do up to ten gallons of a 1.050 wort. My HLT / kettle is 15 gallons and my MLT is a Coleman cooler
Can you tell us how exaclty? Brutus 2.0 style?
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Old 02-06-2011, 10:55 PM   #6
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From you picture in the first post it looks like you have a pump with the inlet coming from your faucet? if this is true there is no need for the pump (unless you have very shocking water pressure )
I have been thinking a bit about 2 vessle systems lately (no actual plans to build one yet though) and my thoughts have been around a RIMS setup with the RIMS tube being feed from either the MT or the cold supply to give on demand "hot" water. Should be able to get enough out for a fly sparge.

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Old 02-06-2011, 10:55 PM   #7
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I would be interested as well, I thought that was something I would have to give up. It would still be a far step above my current pot on stove system. But I am really looking to get the process out of my kitchen and into my garage where I have my bar almost complete. Also, some major savings for now in parts if i can keep it to one keggle.
Any information on automation? That is what I really need hints on...

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I would be interested as well, I thought that was something I would have to give up. It would still be a far step above my current pot on stove system. But I am really looking to get the process out of my kitchen and into my garage where I have my bar almost complete. Also, some major savings for now in parts if i can keep it to one keggle.
Any information on automation? That is what I really need hints on...
Do a google serch for brutus 2.0, from memory it was set up to recirc the sparge water from the HLT/BK through the mash back into the HLT/BK, over and over and over and...
For automation look up Brewtroller or BCS, some examples are on hte forums here.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:37 AM   #9
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you also may want to use your second pump to recirculate the wort in the brew kettle as it is cooling. Basically, run the wort back across the herms coil to cool faster and whirlpool the wort.

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Even with the brewtroller, there is super limited support, and you are kind of on your own as far as how you want to fabricate it. I am starting to like my 2 vessel, although there are challenges. I am still trying to figure out a way to get some more of those sugars left behind with the lack of a true sparge( and only 2 vessels), I just don't see a way it is possible..

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