Kegconnection Complete Starter Kit and More Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > DIY Projects > Brewery Schematic. good or bad idea.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-08-2007, 08:23 AM   #1
Grimsawyer
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 886
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts

Default Brewery Schematic. good or bad idea.

Hello ALL!!! I've been playing around with different ideas of how to go forward with my AG system. I only have 2 vessels right now and one burner. I am a fan of batch sparging. That being said then here's a schematic of wort/water flow on a one tier AG system. I think this is what I'll build. All I need is another vessel, maybe just a 10 gallon rubbermaid cooler to act as my HLT.



To operate fill the brew kettle up and turn the heat on. Fill the MLT to the desired level and open only the ball valves marked as M1 and M2. Get the brew kettle up to the desired temperature and hold it there. The MLT will follow suit if the pump is kept on. This setup allows for step mashes with multiple rests if wished. Once desired temp is reached add grain. Do the steps or keep the temp of a single infusion mash. When it's time to start sparging turn off the pump, close M1 and M2, and turn up the heat to the desired sparging temp. (remember to account for the temp drop from the HLT being empty) Open F1 and M2. Run for just long enough to clear the line of wort. Won't take long. Close M2 and open F2. Notice that F2 will connects to the HLT just behind the ball valve so it will fill. When the Brew kettle is empty turn off the pump and close F1 and F2. Now it is time to empty the first runnings out of the mash tun. Crack open S1 and M1. Careful not to open M1 too much as to aviod a stuck sparge. When all the wort that will come off the grains is in the brew kettle close S1 and M1. Open S2 and M2 to fill the MLT back up. Close them back up, Stirr really well and recirculate by opening M1 and M2 until wort is clear. Close them back up. Then it's back to draining the MLT. Do this 2 or 3 times. When it's time to boil toss in the hops and do so. When the boil is over the heat exchanger is just an immersion wort chiller so it could be disconnected(or perhaps just a few more ball valves and some hose) and a few hoses hooked up and tap water ran through it to cool the wort. At the same time the wort can be recirculated with F1 and S1 open. This is something I discovered on accident. No stirring necessary, the pump will circulate the brew past the immersion wort chiller. When the wort is at pitching temps close S1 and open PF1. I've got some food grade hose hooked up so filling 2 carboys is a sinch. I hope to get my TAX RETURN back soon so I can make this daydream/item of obsessoin/etc... reality. Any feedback? Suggestions? Comments? Questions? Good idea? Bad idea? I know there's alot of turning valves but this, as complicated as it looks, seems like the easiest route to take. I eagerly await any imput anyone can give!




oxxx(]::::::::::::::> EDIT!!! <::::::::::::::::[)xxxo





Well, I went ahead and built it... HERE HE IS!!!!! Enter: THE BROTHER YARR!!!



I used silicone tubing rated at 350 degrees F everywhere except the line out to the carboy. That is pvc tubing... kinda gets gooey at 170 degrees F. I am going to add quick disconnects to the HLT, HT/LT and Brew Kettle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil' Sparky
Nice. I know you guys love your single-tier pump systems, but I've got to say... my 3-tier stand w/out a pump is WAY less complicated. I have no doubt I would jack something up with your system and have wort/water flowing to the wrong place[s].
Yeah... well guess what... The first time I used it I DID jack something up. Well, the way the cooler sits and where the valve is for the out on it somehow I missed that it was open after I had finished the full boil. I was cooling the wort down and figured I'd re-circulate the wort to help the immersion wort chiller out. Well, 90 min earlier I purged the line of all the sweet wort with water figuring i'd get as much sugar as i could out of the lines and into the brew kettle.... i FORGOT to close the valve..... I ended up with 7 gallons of 5% beer instead of 5 gallons of 7%. watered down and WAY too bitter I'll be brewing a batch of 12% wort that i'll be boiling WAY down and just adding some finishing hops. I'll save this batch yet!!! Anyhow, it worked like a charm, just not use to my own equipment yet. I might be replacing the crappy hunk of junk false bottom too with a SS braid or a manifold. Got the weldles kit from morebeer that had the ball valve, false bottom and just dosn't like to stay flat. Been eyeing the Sabco false bottom but not sure if i want to spend that much on it, although it's built to fit inside a keg. Some possible things I might change in the future would be the HLT. I am thinking I want to change it to a KEG. Put some heating elements in it and hook them up to a ranco controller and use it instead of the boil kettle as the HERMS. Would save on trips to the gas station to re-fill my propane tanks. I also NEED to get a sheet of tin, snip it to fit between the turkey fryer and the wood that the MLT sits on. Gets kinda toasty when i crank up the heat. Anyhow, I am VERY pleased with this cart. It's only 5 feet long and fits through my door to my back patio just fine. Feel free to use any of my ideas, i know i got most of mine from this site already. If i can give back I would love to!!!
__________________

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. They wake up in the morning and that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -Dean Martin

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingBeer
...no sense hauling empty carboys around when full ones take up just as much space. :)

Last edited by Grimsawyer; 06-29-2007 at 11:45 AM.
Grimsawyer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-08-2007, 01:11 PM   #2
Lil' Sparky
Cowboys EAC
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Lil' Sparky's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 4,013
Liked 48 Times on 32 Posts

Default

Nice. I know you guys love your single-tier pump systems, but I've got to say... my 3-tier stand w/out a pump is WAY less complicated. I have no doubt I would jack something up with your system and have wort/water flowing to the wrong place[s].

__________________
Lil' Sparky is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-12-2007, 10:59 PM   #3
kladue
Senior Member
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Turner, Oregon, Oregon most of the time now
Posts: 2,303
Liked 45 Times on 42 Posts

Default

Do you buy supplies at homebrew heaven in Salem, Ask Doug about coming to the April club meeting and you can see my system and take home some swagelok&parker valves and fittings to play with.

__________________
kladue is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-13-2007, 03:42 PM   #4
jpuf
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 287
Default

I agree with sparky, I'd F something up. I like my 3 tier gravity system, a few ball valves to open and close and away I go.

__________________
jpuf is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-15-2007, 12:42 AM   #5
Grimsawyer
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 886
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts

Default

oh yeah, I love that place. I was just in today chatting with Doug. I brought him in an ale I made with flying dog yeast. I most likely would be in that brew club if my work schedule would allow. Hospitality... weekends are always spent at work. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and when it happens, the 5th saturday of the month. BTW, what are these swagelok&parker valves and fittings you speak of? So far I use regular run of the mill 1/2" ball valves of brass, one of SS. I hope to build a stand so I can run some copper pipe w/ brass elbows and T's. It would be great to run boiling water through the system to clean and sanatize it.

__________________

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. They wake up in the morning and that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -Dean Martin

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingBeer
...no sense hauling empty carboys around when full ones take up just as much space. :)
Grimsawyer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-15-2007, 01:50 PM   #6
kladue
Senior Member
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Turner, Oregon, Oregon most of the time now
Posts: 2,303
Liked 45 Times on 42 Posts

Default

Why dont you PM me and we could talk about system design and fabrication, I have valves from 1/4" to 1/2" compression and threaded ends, and fittings and tube to go with.

__________________
kladue is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2007, 05:50 PM   #7
mozicodo
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mozicodo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Colorado Springs, CO, CO
Posts: 259
Default

What? You're not going to automate the valves with a computer?

__________________
It may take a real man to brew a big beer, but it takes a big man to brew a real beer.

Xtreme Mashtun Build Open Beer Data Project @aptidude on identi.ca

Android Software: ZymTools Free ZymTools Full
mozicodo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2007, 07:02 PM   #8
kladue
Senior Member
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Turner, Oregon, Oregon most of the time now
Posts: 2,303
Liked 45 Times on 42 Posts

Default

You mean something like thishttp://picasaweb.google.com/kevin.la...97521240869986

__________________
kladue is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2007, 11:10 PM   #9
Monster Mash
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Castaic, CA
Posts: 1,322
Liked 85 Times on 66 Posts
Likes Given: 12

Default

I would just put the HERMS in the HLT to make it a little easier.

I have a 3 tier but after automating my system I wish it was a 2 tier since I need to use a pump for the HERMS anyways.

__________________
My 1BBL Brewery Pics
Monster Mash is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-01-2007, 04:39 AM   #10
Grimsawyer
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Salem, OR
Posts: 886
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts

Default

Wow kladue.... nice control unit. Is that going to still be 120V or is that one of those crazy 240V models that usually control manufacturing equpment. Looks similar to the unit that controlled the deburr machine at the circuit board shop I use to work at.... and I have been thinking about complicating this system and getting an electric heating element and hooking it up in my HLT. I would burn less propane and I just don't like going down to the gas station to fill it... LOL!!! PLUS I could hook up a ranco(is that right?) control unit to turn on and off at certain temps. *Shrug* Maybe someday my setup will be as sweet as Kladue's steam injected unit. Just a bit out of my confort zone still. I can see how one thing would lead to another, I'm just not quite there yet but plan on in the future.

__________________

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. They wake up in the morning and that's as good as they're going to feel all day." -Dean Martin

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingBeer
...no sense hauling empty carboys around when full ones take up just as much space. :)
Grimsawyer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
waste of potentially good beer or good idea? DylansDad Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 21 12-23-2008 04:30 AM
brewery name idea brewfire Label Display & Discussion 1 06-30-2008 02:43 PM
Good Idea Bad Idea? timgman Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 5 05-06-2008 01:38 AM
Brewery name idea - possibly design help as well riored4v Label Display & Discussion 19 04-26-2008 06:01 PM
Conical all in one brewery idea Skrimpy Equipment/Sanitation 8 07-08-2007 01:45 AM