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Old 03-29-2010, 05:34 PM   #11
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I may go that route. I may also use a set of PIDs.
While I like the idea of the BCS system I also like the idea of having immediate manual control. SO I keep going back and forth. I haven't figured a way to do both with out a series of unplugged connections. Not that that's a bad idea. Get the Amplifier jacks http://www.harmony-central.com/Produ.../000007706.jpg
Or use a rotary selection switch for each control http://www.wholesaletrains.com/detail.asp?ID=200498687
I dunno.
Not sure what you mean by "immediate manual control"?

I bet I can turn an element or pump on or off quicker from the BCS control screen than you can in a PID. To switch from PID control to manual control on a PID, you have to go through the PID menus (and remember the abbreviations and codes).

On the BCS, you click the button to stop the running process, then click the button to turn on or off any of the controlled outputs.

There is about a 1-2 second delay when changing settings in the BCS from the Control Screen but I think that is still faster than futzing with a PID menu?

Is that what you mean by "immediate manual control"?
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:16 PM   #12
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You have manual control with the BCS as well.

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Cliff means having a physical switch to turn something off, instead of getting on the PC to do it. He has a point, but it all depends on what your priorities are.

A physical switch is as fast as using the BCS, some people just prefer to have a manual switch.

My priority was just to have no physical switches or a panel. Make it look really clean and really simplistic, when in reality it really isnt simplistic at all.

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Old 03-29-2010, 06:38 PM   #14
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Cliff means having a physical switch to turn something off, instead of getting on the PC to do it. He has a point, but it all depends on what your priorities are.

A physical switch is as fast as using the BCS, some people just prefer to have a manual switch.

My priority was just to have no physical switches or a panel. Make it look really clean and really simplistic, when in reality it really isnt simplistic at all.
I still don't understand how using PIDs would make it easier to have manual control?

I built a control panel and have physical switches AND "Auto Mode" to allow BCS control. I can have my my Laptop wirelessly connected to the BCS 100 feet away and manually control the process. Or I can turn on or off any element or pump with a switch while standing at the rig regardless of what the BCS is calling for.

But I still don't see how it would have been simpler had I used PIDs?
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:43 PM   #15
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He said, have immediate manual control...

You are assuming he means through the PID.

I am taking it as switches to turn things ON/OFF as a form of manual control, I am not assuming that he is referring to PID only functions

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As Ohio-Ed states, using the BCS-460 does not preclude the ability for a physical manual switch(es).

It is as simple as having a double throw switch wired in.

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Old 03-29-2010, 06:57 PM   #17
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He said, have immediate manual control...

You are assuming he means through the PID.

I am taking it as switches to turn things ON/OFF as a form of manual control, I am not assuming that he is referring to PID only functions
What is the point you are trying to make?

The thread is titled "BCS-460, is it worth it"...
Cliff said he is thinking about the BCS or maybe PID's...
He also said he is interested in Immediate Manual Control...

Based on the context of this thread, I assume he is talking about manual control in conjunction with a BCS or PID's.

My point is that manual control though the BCS is probably faster/easier than a PID AND manual control via override switches is very similar (no advantage of PID over BCS)

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My point was, that maybe he is inferring that he would like manual switches and prefers manual controls for pumps, elements etc.

Immediate Manual Control

Instead of going through another device

I have built and owned both systems, and I admit that part of me prefers to have manual switches for manual control, instead of going through the PC.

This thread doesnt have to get testy...

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My point was, that maybe he is inferring that he would like manual switches and prefers manual controls for pumps, elements etc.

Immediate Manual Control

Instead of going through another device

I have built and owned both systems, and I admit that part of me prefers to have manual switches for manual control, instead of going through the PC.

This thread doesnt have to get testy...
Are you suggesting this thread is getting "testy"?

I'm trying to answer the OP's question and another member that appeared to have a question.

You keep posting with assumptions of what Cliff may have known/intended and I have tried to respond to your assumptions.

How is that getting "testy"?

If YOU have a question, why don't you ask it and let Cliff respond if he has any?
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To switch from PID control to manual control on a PID, you have to go through the PID menus (and remember the abbreviations and codes).
Not true. There is a A/M button on the ubiquitous Auber PIDs. Auto/Manual. There is an LED that indicates which mode you are in, also.
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