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Old 11-30-2013, 04:57 PM   #21
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Doesn't matter, especially at the homebrew scale. Go to a commercial plant and they will be wherever is more convenient. You'll probably see more effect doing as short a whirlpool as possible since homebrew pumps run full speed and whip up all the flocs into fine particles.

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Old 12-01-2013, 04:00 AM   #22
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any thoughts about running the recirculation through a trub filter, such as the one from brewer's hardware??

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Old 12-01-2013, 08:38 PM   #23
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I picked up one of the Concord 100qt pots to do 15 gallon batches in and had a whirlpool port welded in a quarter of the way up. I also fabbed up a pickup tube to pull right from the edge and just a 1/4" off the bottom.

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Well I did get a whirlpool, but not a very vigorous one. The wort was spinning, but no vortex. I think I'd need a more powerful pump and a larger inlet and outlet.
I was shooting for a 12 gallon wort size knowing I'd lose a bunch due to the 19 oz of pellet hops I added, plus the hot break and cold break. I removed the hopBlocker and later just put the rim into the pot to divert all the break material. I must say I had a lot of fun clearing my wort filter about a dozen times.

I'm wondering if my whirl pooling time was too short or if I didn't leave enough time after the whirlpool for the cone to form, or if its a lost cause due to all the break material and lack of leaf hops.

Back to hopBlocker and hop sacks for me.

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It works better if you can get a little pull/push going, i.e., dip tube angled one direction pulling the wort with whirlpool return angled the other direction, pushing the wort to get a good spin going. You don't need a vortex. If you had the hop blocker in there as shown in the picture, that may have interfered with things a bit. Most importantly, you need to let it all settle for at least 20 minutes or so. I've got a picture of my trub/hop pile on the first page of this thread. That resulted from a pretty mild whirlpool and a 20 minute rest afterward.

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It works better if you can get a little pull/push going, i.e., dip tube angled one direction pulling the wort with whirlpool return angled the other direction, pushing the wort to get a good spin going. You don't need a vortex. If you had the hop blocker in there as shown in the picture, that may have interfered with things a bit. Most importantly, you need to let it all settle for at least 20 minutes or so. I've got a picture of my trub/hop pile on the first page of this thread. That resulted from a pretty mild whirlpool and a 20 minute rest afterward. Good luck.
Thanks. I can easily re-orient the dip tube, however it will lead to increased residual in the kettle afterward. The hopBlocker was not in there during the whirlpool. I rested the ring into the sludge to try and reduce the amount of crud getting drawn into the dip tube. Not effective.

I might consider doing something like a 5 gallon bucket drilled with a ton of holes in the bottom and then covered with a SS mesh screen and drain into another 5 gallon bucket and then pour into the fermenter to filter this crap out next time... That does sound like a pain in the a$$ compared with using hop sacks and the hopBlocker however.

I think I did get a little hasty in starting to run off the wort to the fermenter.

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Thanks. I can easily re-orient the dip tube, however it will lead to increased residual in the kettle afterward. The hopBlocker was not in there during the whirlpool. I rested the ring into the sludge to try and reduce the amount of crud getting drawn into the dip tube. Not effective.

I might consider doing something like a 5 gallon bucket drilled with a ton of holes in the bottom and then covered with a SS mesh screen and drain into another 5 gallon bucket and then pour into the fermenter to filter this crap out next time... That does sound like a pain in the a$$ compared with using hop sacks and the hopBlocker however.

I think I did get a little hasty in starting to run off the wort to the fermenter.

TD
That's another thing I forgot to mention. I run off very slow.
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