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01-31-2008, 08:12 PM
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So i do not have access to a 240V outlet, so I was wondering if you think it would be ok for a Electric Brew Kettle if I used two 120 V heating elements (mind you this is for 10 gallons). The way i figure is i wire them each to separate switches and turn one of them off when the hard boil beings to prevent scorching.
I figure in the HLT 1 120V element should be ok. Does this seem reasonable?
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01-31-2008, 08:14 PM
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they have the elements out there, so why not?
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01-31-2008, 08:23 PM
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You'll need to run those on separate circuits, and depending on your kettle geometry, you can run the full wattage during boil.
I boil 5 gal with 1x3000W element in my kettle for a rolling, but not vigorous boil.
Say you find 1500W@120V elements (I think you can run a 3000W@240V element at 120V, but I'm sure someone else will pipe in and tell you why I'm wrong). Note (edit): 3000W@240V is actually 1500W@120V (same element).
1500W@120V is 12.5A. Most household circuits are 15A, so you'll need two circuits to run a pair of 1500W elements.
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01-31-2008, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by scoates
You'll need to run those on separate circuits, and depending on your kettle geometry, you can run the full wattage during boil.
I boil 5 gal with 1x3000W element in my kettle for a rolling, but not vigorous boil.
Say you find 1500W@120V elements (I think you can run a 3000W@240V element at 120V, but I'm sure someone else will pipe in and tell you why I'm wrong). Note (edit): 3000W@240V is actually 1500W@120V (same element).
1500W@120V is 12.5A. Most household circuits are 15A, so you'll need two circuits to run a pair of 1500W elements.
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I am not positive, but for some reason I think your get 1/4 of the watts when you 1/2 the volts. So a 3000W 220V becomes a 750W 120V
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01-31-2008, 08:51 PM
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01-31-2008, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by scoates
You'll need to run those on separate circuits, and depending on your kettle geometry, you can run the full wattage during boil.
I boil 5 gal with 1x3000W element in my kettle for a rolling, but not vigorous boil.
Say you find 1500W@120V elements (I think you can run a 3000W@240V element at 120V, but I'm sure someone else will pipe in and tell you why I'm wrong). Note (edit): 3000W@240V is actually 1500W@120V (same element).
1500W@120V is 12.5A. Most household circuits are 15A, so you'll need two circuits to run a pair of 1500W elements.
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Scoates, if you have a 3000w Element @240v it will be less than 1500w at 120v. It's an Ohms law thing, but that does not mean you can't get a 1500w element @ 120v. S.
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01-31-2008, 08:58 PM
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1920w is the max on a twenty amp circuit. This is because heating elements are continueos loads. So the circuit must be derated to 80% of the maximum. The reason is that running full bore causes excesive heat in the breaker and the wire, eventualy causing tripping and other bad JUJU.
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01-31-2008, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by slnies
1920w is the max on a twenty amp circuit. This is because heating elements are continueos loads. So the circuit must be derated to 80% of the maximum. The reason is that running full bore causes excesive heat in the breaker and the wire, eventualy causing tripping and other bad JUJU.
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Such as living in the Best Western down the road while the inspectors figure out whose fault the house fire was.
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01-31-2008, 09:29 PM
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You'll rarely find a 20 amp circuit regardless. They are usually only found where a floor buffer is used and have the horizontal plug in addition to the verticals . If your hoping to do long term brewing, it'd be easier to install, either yourself or by an electrician, an extra circuit for brewing purposes.
That way you avoid a fire risk and don't have a circuit trip in the middle of brewing....especially if the lights are on the same circuit.
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01-31-2008, 09:45 PM
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Oops. You guys are right. I forgot about the "squared" part (-:
3000W@240v = 19.2Ω == 750W@120v
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