Happy HolidaySs Giveaway - Last Sponsor Giveaway of the Year!

Come Enter the BrewDeals/FastFerment Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Community > Commercial Brew Discussion > World Beer Cup 2010 - no gold awarded?
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-11-2010, 03:54 PM   #1
Jumbo82
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Jumbo82's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Plymouth, New Hampshire
Posts: 499
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts

Default World Beer Cup 2010 - no gold awarded?

I was reading over the list of winners and noticed that two categories had "no gold awarded." They still gave out silver and bronze though. Its categories 15 and 78; http://worldbeercup.org/winners.html.

I couldn't figure out why no gold was awarded for these two. They had plenty of entries in each category. Its inconceivable that none scored high enough to qualify for a gold (I don't know if this is even a qualification, but I do know some comps require a score of at least 40 to be eligible for Best of Show). These are the best beers in the world. I just don't get why a gold wouldn't be awarded. Curiosity is killing me. Can anybody shed some light on the situation for me? Thanks.

__________________
Jumbo82 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-11-2010, 05:18 PM   #2
david_42
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
david_42's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Willamina & Oak Grove, Oregon, USA
Posts: 25,656
Liked 137 Times on 130 Posts

Default

Quote:
Gold A world class beer that accurately exemplifies the specified style, displaying the proper balance of taste, aroma and appearance.
Silver An excellent beer that may vary slightly from style parameters while maintaining close adherence to the style and displaying excellent taste, aroma, and appearance.
Bronze A fine example of the style that may vary slightly from style parameters and/or have minor defects in taste, aroma, or appearance.
They have the option of not awarding any.
__________________

Remember one unassailable statistic, as explained by the late, great George Carlin: "Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!"

"I would like to die on Mars, just not on impact." Elon Musk

david_42 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-11-2010, 05:37 PM   #3
lamarguy
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,657
Liked 22 Times on 21 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Ya, that's standard practice. None of the beers in that category where good enough to win first.

Most of the smaller homebrew competitions will give the first place to a non-existent person just to avoid offending people...

__________________
Doggfather Brewery

Planned: Lambic, American IPA
Fermenting: 6 gals of 1.090 stout (Belgian) & 6 gals of 1.090 stout (English)
Tapped: Berliner Weisse, Black English IPA, German Pils, & Live Oak Primus
lamarguy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-11-2010, 05:43 PM   #4
dwarven_stout
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 1,629
Liked 34 Times on 32 Posts
Likes Given: 6

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by david_42 View Post
They have the option of not awarding any.
While that's true, it's not terribly helpful. I noticed this too and found it odd. Anyone have any idea what reasons might be behind the actual decision not to award a gold?

Edit:
Now *this* I didn't know!
Quote:
Originally Posted by lamarguy View Post
Most of the smaller homebrew competitions will give the first place to a non-existent person just to avoid offending people...
__________________

"I can't believe how many people think Air Lock is pronounced Hydrometer." -BigKahuna
"If you gave me a beer with placenta in it without telling me I would kick you in the nuts." -ODaniel
"We be in a big hurry for dope beer with much alcamahol and flavor, quality, balance, and aroma don't matter. We just wantz to be druck, u know?" -Yooper

dwarven_stout is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-11-2010, 05:53 PM   #5
Beerrific
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Beerrific's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,600
Liked 45 Times on 37 Posts
Likes Given: 9

Default

Most commercial beer competitions do not base awards on points, judges just sit down with the beers and chose 1-2-3 (in the final round at least, like the BOS in a homebrew competition). And those places have written designations, for example, GABF says 1st place has to be a "world class example of the style." If the judges come to the consensus that none of the beers meet this criteria, they will not award it.

I like it. Prevents "cheapening" of the awards.

__________________
Beerrific is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-12-2010, 05:32 PM   #6
Jumbo82
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Jumbo82's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Plymouth, New Hampshire
Posts: 499
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts

Default

Ok, I can see why they wouldn't want to award a gold if none of the entrants are "world class beers." But on the other hand, they might have several "world class beers" entered into a category and it appears they still give out a silver and a bronze. I'd hate to have my world class beer given this description - "Bronze A fine example of the style that may vary slightly from style parameters and/or have minor defects in taste, aroma, or appearance."

__________________
Jumbo82 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-12-2010, 05:48 PM   #7
Beerrific
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Beerrific's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,600
Liked 45 Times on 37 Posts
Likes Given: 9

Default

Good point....to hold to that same standard you would expect to see a few categories with 2-3 beers taking 1st.

__________________
Beerrific is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-12-2010, 07:43 PM   #8
SpanishCastleAle
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 4,384
Liked 29 Times on 29 Posts

Default

Quote:
"Bronze A fine example of the style that may vary slightly from style parameters and/or have minor defects in taste, aroma, or appearance."
Would they really write that about a high-40 point brew that just happened to be in a category with two other even better brews?

The medals are relative to other brews in the category but scores are absolute, aren't they?
__________________
Early brewers were primarily women, mostly because it was deemed a woman's job. Mesopotamian men, of some 3,800 years ago, were obviously complete assclowns and had yet to realize the pleasure of brewing beer.- Beer Advocate
SpanishCastleAle is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-12-2010, 07:49 PM   #9
olllllo
[]-O-[]
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
olllllo's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 13,514
Liked 126 Times on 106 Posts
Likes Given: 13

Default

I spoke to some of the judges at the CBC and they said, in the case of the Belgian Category, that the beers were too phenolic.

Yvan De Baets and Steven Pawels are Belgian and they weren't happy about the level of phenols!

__________________
Rabbit And Coyote Schwag
Rob - Phoenix Ambassador to Milwaukee
Where did your avatar go?
Ginger Beer for Moscow Mules Bacon Vodka
Twitter
olllllo is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-14-2010, 04:28 PM   #10
pjj2ba
Look under the recliner
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
pjj2ba's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: State College, Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,427
Liked 195 Times on 161 Posts
Likes Given: 22

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by olllllo View Post
I spoke to some of the judges at the CBC and they said, in the case of the Belgian Category, that the beers were too phenolic.

Yvan De Baets and Steven Pawels are Belgian and they weren't happy about the level of phenols!
It is good to hear this. I liken the trend with non-BMC beers to an Arms Race. It seems lots of craft brewers are out push the limits. Extreme hops, wheat beers that are yeast bombs, etc. This is fine, but the problem is then there are lots of people who think this is the way it is SUPPOSED to be. I enjoy an over-the-top beer once in a while, but I'd rather, day-in, day-out, drink a beer within the style norms where I can appreciate the nuances from ALL of the components (well balanced)
__________________
On Tap: Ger. Pils, OKZ (std Amer. lager), CZ Pils, Maibock,
Kegged and Aging/Lagering:CAP, CAP II, Wheat lager, Imperial Pilsner, Ger. Pils, OKZ (std Amer. lager), OKZ II (for base malt comparison), light beer - yes, light beer, Belgian IPA, IPA,
Secondary:
Primary: Pale Ale
Brewing soon: Saison
Recently kicked : ( IPA, Bock, Saison,
Pilsner Urquell Master Homebrewer
(1st NYC 2011, 2nd NYC 2012)
P U crowns winners in its inaugural master HB competition
pjj2ba is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Extract - Belgian Trippel (2006 World Beer Cup Gold Medal: Dragonmead Final Absolution clone) HuRRiC4Ne Belgian Strong Ale 617 11-25-2014 01:54 AM
2010 Ann Arbor Brews Crews Competition (May 22, 2010) GeorgeH Michigan HomeBrew Forum 1 03-26-2010 12:47 PM
2010 Made in the Shade - Flagstaff, AZ - June 26th, 2010 AZ_IPA Arizona HomeBrew Forum 2 03-11-2010 05:25 PM
World Cup 2010 beergorila General Beer Discussion 16 02-02-2010 07:19 PM
gold beer came out red lfark Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 2 03-30-2008 04:20 AM



Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS