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Old 09-16-2013, 01:54 AM   #11
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India Black Ale
Yup. IBA. Easy Peasy.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:41 AM   #12
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Yup. IBA. Easy Peasy.
I'm most partial to this too. I really don't like CDA as I find it disrespectful to the true originator(s) of the style. The GABF/Brewers Association seems to agree, and have formally designated the style as IBA. I imagine if the BJCP follows suit and adopts guidelines for the style, that they'll either go with IBA, or even possible American Dark Ale - CDA is just too controversial, for the reasons I've mentioned, which are also why I disagree with it as well.
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Old 09-16-2013, 02:53 AM   #13
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The GABF/Brewers Association seems to agree, and have formally designated the style as IBA.
Have they? Good to know. It makes the most sense.

I can understand, to a point, why "Black IPA" was used as they style was experimented with, as it's supposed to be like an IPA in most every was, except in color and a slight amount of roast character, as it communicates an idea well enough. But at some point, I think we have to agree that a name that's oxymoronic by its very nature is moronic to continue using (OK, that's harsh, but I was too tempted by the fun constuction of that quip). Besides, there's a close enough relation between "IPA" and "IBA," in the names themselves, that it communicates the nature of the style well enough, especially now that it's more established.
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Have they? Good to know. It makes the most sense.

I can understand, to a point, why "Black IPA" was used as they style was experimented with, as it's supposed to be like an IPA in most every was, except in color and a slight amount of roast character, as it communicates an idea well enough. But at some point, I think we have to agree that a name that's oxymoronic by its very nature is moronic to continue using (OK, that's harsh, but I was too tempted by the fun constuction of that quip). Besides, there's a close enough relation between "IPA" and "IBA," in the names themselves, that it communicates the nature of the style well enough, especially now that it's more established.
Except that there is nothing Indian about this style. American Dark Ale makes more sense.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:26 AM   #15
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Except that there is nothing Indian about this style. American Dark Ale makes more sense.
Neither is there anything Indian about IPAs, but at least it's understood as a style.
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Neither is there anything Indian about IPAs, but at least it's understood as a style.
Sure there is...they derive their name from the fact that it was a style of beer exported to the English colonies in India. If these beers had not been so popular there, they never would have been named IPA - they would have stayed pale ales or maybe Burton ales.
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Sure there is...they derive their name from the fact that it was a style of beer exported to the English colonies in India. If these beers had not been so popular there, they never would have been named IPA - they would have stayed pale ales or maybe Burton ales.
OK then. So IBAs are extremely similar to a style of beer (one could say it's just a tweaked form of the original) that was once exported to India, hence it has a relation to India, nearly as much as the original.

I get the feeling that might not be convincing to you, but I'm throwing it out anyway. I suspect my gut feeling that these are not meaningfully less "Indian" than IPAs has to do with me not really thinking of them as forming a real style in their own right, and rather as a variation on an IPA. Maybe I just need to get over that. Who knows?
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Sure there is...
English IPA's yes. American IPA's no! Yet we still call them both IPA's

Why would you except and American interpretations of an IPA that has nothing to do with India, but turn down the idea of an India Black Ale?


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The India reference has more to do with alcohol and hop content, not color or maltyness.
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Why would you except and American interpretations of an IPA that has nothing to do with India, but turn down the idea of an India Black Ale?


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The India reference has more to do with alcohol and hop content, not color or maltyness.
By that logic, what is wrong with calling a dark/black interpretation of the style a Dark/Black IPA?

My point is that most of the names out there for this style, except American Dark Ale or the like, don't make a tremendous amount of sense. Black IPA or IBA are equally nonsensical in my book, so why not come up with something that makes more sense?
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I hear you. I agree many, perhaps most, style names don't make a lot of sense, or aren't terribly descriptive of what you get. I think the attractiveness of something like IBA is that is continues in the tradition of something that is established. No, it's not "Indian," whatever that might mean in the context of an American brewed beer, but the name tells you a bit about what to expect. American Dark Ale doesn't really tell me much, other than it likely uses an American yeast, and perhaps malt and hops also, and that it's dark. Not very descriptive. So how is that different from an American stout, porter, darker barley wine, "Scotch" or any number of other dark ales? What helps someone to figure out what to expect, based off the name?

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