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Old 03-03-2010, 01:20 AM   #21
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I tried this after first trying the SA Noble Pils. I really liked the strong presence of aroma hops in the SA offering. I thought the Victory Prima was more dominated by bitterness than aroma, still not bad, but not my preference.

However, that changed tonight when I tried the second bottle. I was going to have it with dinner and took my first few sips (in a glass of course) before dinner. Again, I was a bit set off by the bitterness versus aroma. Then I started drinking it with the chicken I was eating for dinner, and it really started to shine. This beer is awesome with food.

Lately I've been enjoying my beer stand alone most of the time, and not really payig attention to if it went with the food I was eating on the occasions where I did have a beer with a meal. But this time, I really did notice. It was great with dinner!

Another thing I noticed about the Prima was the body and awesome head retention. There were head rings all over my glass, pretty much everywhere I paused while drinking it. I guess those are features of the double decoction?

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Old 03-11-2010, 06:24 PM   #22
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Clone recipe from Zymurgy, author Amahl Turczyn Scheppach:

1.053, 51 IBU (all whole hops), 3 SRM, 75% eff., 90min boil
9.25lb German Pils
Double decoction w/mashout (20@122, 40@145, 20@155, 10@165F)
1oz Tradition 6% @60
1oz Tett 4.5% @30
1oz Mittelfrüh 4.5% @20
2oz Saaz 4.3% @10
German lager @50F, lager 10-13wks @35F

I'd have to use about 10lb to get 1.053 on my system....

I just got my first bottle of this, haven't even tasted it but already looking at brewing something similar. This looks great

what would I loose by only doing a step mash compared to a decoction method?
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Old 03-12-2010, 03:06 PM   #23
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I just got my first bottle of this, haven't even tasted it but already looking at brewing something similar. This looks great

what would I loose by only doing a step mash compared to a decoction method?
In my experience, decoctions get you a bunch more malt complexity and "toasted" flavors.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:24 AM   #24
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I love everything Victory and their Pils is NO EXCEPTION. It's probably one of the best out there. Sam Adams Noble Pils is a close second.

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Old 09-29-2010, 03:13 PM   #25
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I recently bought freezers for fermenting and kegging, and I'm going to brew this next, for my first lager (yeah, the holiday beer is getting bumped). Got some friends who are typically light beer lovers but always demand seconds on my stuff.

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Clone recipe from Zymurgy, author Amahl Turczyn Scheppach:

1.053, 51 IBU (all whole hops), 3 SRM, 75% eff., 90min boil
9.25lb German Pils
Double decoction w/mashout (20@122, 40@145, 20@155, 10@165F)
1oz Tradition 6% @60
1oz Tett 4.5% @30
1oz Mittelfrüh 4.5% @20
2oz Saaz 4.3% @10
German lager @50F, lager 10-13wks @35F

I'd have to use about 10lb to get 1.053 on my system....
I'd hate to tie up the fermentation freezer for 10 weeks. Does anyone see a problem racking to secondary after fermentation completes, turning my keg freezer down to 35, and lagering in there alongside the kegs?
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I have yet to taste anything from Victory that I like.

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Old 03-26-2011, 06:35 PM   #27
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Had this for the first time last summer in the Phili area, tasted skunked along with the hop devil (two different bars) so I strayed away from it and wrote them off. Then today I saw it sitting on the shelf at the Total Wine and grabbed a sixer. MUCH BETTER. Lots of floral and perfumey hop flavors with a nice firm bitterness and sweet malty backbone.

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Old 06-21-2011, 03:08 AM   #28
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I'm on vacation with a 12-pack of mixed craft beers.. just got to this one. Fukcing gross. The aroma is hops, the flavour is hops and the aftertaste is bitter. That was the first gulp. Now EVERY sip after is nothing but bitter. Bleh. Nasty. I'm literally dumping my glass over the balcony and pouring something else.

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Old 06-21-2011, 07:50 AM   #29
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Bleh. Nasty. I'm literally dumping my glass over the balcony and pouring something else.
There are only two conclusions to be drawn:
1. You got a stale Prima
2. You have no palate
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... or 3, I like beer and not hops-water.

I have read often on this board about the silliness of the trend of american craft brewers to go big on hops to try to stand out only to forget about balance. I didn't really get it till I was able to come down here across the border and sample a wide variety of craft brews. This beer is 44ibu (beer advocate) but has low alcohol and pours very light and has little malt flavour. That is just terribly unbalanced.

But hey, if you like a sharp bitter drink with not much flavour besides hops then this is totally your brew!

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