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Old 03-30-2009, 11:37 PM   #11
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Thanks a lot... now I need to come up with a nacho beer recipe.
6lbs of PLAIN tortilla chips
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2 oz of very stale tett hops for 60 min

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Not sure how to add the cheese flavor without adding yeast killing preservatives. I guess you could dry hop some blue cheese?
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:50 PM   #12
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You have to add equal parts salsa that is very stale, you will get it.

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Old 03-31-2009, 12:22 AM   #13
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It may be, though the Devil's Backbone was on draft.

Are phenols known to fade with age?

The point of the thread was to express my annoyance of GOOD breweries putting out lousy beer with this weird flavor that they are seemingly trying to pass off as authentic or desirable. It's perfectly forgivable in the Fossil Fuel.

It has to be a yeast strain thing, because the Fossil Fuel is brewed with the same wort in the same brewery alongside their flawless, if forgettable, pale ale.
It is funny how different your palate is than mine. The Cali-Belgique is a pretty brash beer, but that's Stone for you. As far as the RR stuff, I think that it is very drinkable, and more to the point quite good. Would I say Damnation = Westmalle? Not at all. But the beers like Rejection, Benediction, and Rejection are all good beers. We all taste differently, and perhaps the blend of American hops and the phenolics don't sit well with you, but I assure you that more people enjoy these beers than not.
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Damnation is a Belgian Strong
Mortification is a Quad
Benediction is a Dubbel

Real Ale Devil's Backbone is a Tripel
Houblon Chouffe is a Belgian IPA or the Belgian Specialty Category.
Westmalle Tripel is a Tripel

I can only assume that you like tripels.

How about comparing an apple to an apple?

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Old 03-31-2009, 01:06 AM   #15
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Damnation is a Belgian Strong
Mortification is a Quad
Benediction is a Dubbel

Real Ale Devil's Backbone is a Tripel
Houblon Chouffe is a Belgian IPA or the Belgian Specialty Category.
Westmalle Tripel is a Tripel

I can only assume that you like tripels.

How about comparing an apple to an apple?
that's funny, because Tripels are the last of the Belgians I reach for. I think Dubbels are my favorite, if I were to narrow it down to a style, which almost seems silly now that I am typing it.
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Old 03-31-2009, 04:39 AM   #16
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I do like tripels.

Let's take Damnation vs. Duvel. Damnation is sweeter and has that dirty funk I don't like. Duvel is fruitier, crisper, drier.

There's just something about my palate that just hates whatever this particular phenol is. It's definitely not ALL phenols that I dislike, because clovey weissbiers are some of my absolute favorites. I also dislike Goldings -- way too earthy! I appreciate them in moderation; 3rd St. Aleworks here makes a killer bitter with a restrained but distinct hit of Goldings, but IMHO they ruined New Belgium Mighty Arrow.

I'm about to toss my keg of SMaSH, but I'm not sure if it's because of the T-58 or the EKG. It's definitely not the Munich, yum!

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I see your point when you detail it out although I disagree and I'm less inclined to believe it when you say.

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You're literally going with the Emperor has no clothes with this?
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If I pour it out, it's not good beer. I'm entitled to hold my opinion in unnaturally high esteem on the intarwebs. There were people next to me at the pub the other night who claimed to like the Racerveeta 5.

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Well, being wrong sucks sometimes, but its ok. Those are good beers.

Also, don't blame Racer 5 right off the bat. Make sure you're drinking in a bar that knows how to clean its lines properly. I am more and more suspect of bad lines in bars as I really get to understand how everything should taste. I would say I have a pretty refined palate, and that is the one thing that gets me the most often.

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+ 1 on the dirty beer lines. Go to a bar full of BMC drinkers and order a maredsous on tap. Fizzy cardboard.

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