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Old 10-03-2007, 10:50 PM   #11
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O'Dells makes an imperial pilsner which I tried, I had a similar experience with this beer as many of you talk about, it was cloyingly sweet and I didn't like it at all, had to force my way through a 4-pack. Fortunately I was drinking it with some very very spicy thai food which balanced it decently. Saw the Sam Adams at the store yesterday but was scared off my my previous experience, maybe I'll try it.

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Old 10-03-2007, 11:37 PM   #12
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The term 'cloying' sweetness is being tossed around quite a bit. 'Cloying' by itself means excessive, so do you mean the beer is too sweet?

I ask this because many tasters here differentiate between sweetness (which can be good) and cloying sweetness. Maybe a few of you could elaborate on when sweet becomes cloying.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:40 AM   #13
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The term 'cloying' sweetness is being tossed around quite a bit. 'Cloying' by itself means excessive, so do you mean the beer is too sweet?

I ask this because many tasters here differentiate between sweetness (which can be good) and cloying sweetness. Maybe a few of you could elaborate on when sweet becomes cloying.
Eh...I think you answered your own question. By "cloying", they are saying the beer is overly sweet, to the point that it is not enjoyable.

And I'll echo what others said....I had this beer about a year ago, and found it cloyingly sweet. Not just out-of-style sweet, but nastily so--for any style. And Yaboosh said exactly what I think of most DFH beers.....they're under attenuated, at least for my taste. If they'd get 90 Min a couple FG points lower, it would probably be the perfect beer.
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:15 AM   #14
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Cloyingly sweet to me means that it is so sweet that it almost makes me pucker, much like sucking on belgian candi sugar or drinking jolt cola...syrupy sweetness. I find a lot of IIPA's to be that way too, even some barleywines. It is ok if balanced with enough hop bitterness, but in the case of the odells, all I got was sweetness.

sweetness is not necessarily something I dislike, a lot of belgian goldens, saisons, and stouts I make/drink I think are sweet, and I like them, cloying to me is just too sweet to the point of being a problem

than again, opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one and they all smell like sh!t

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Old 10-04-2007, 03:58 AM   #15
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OK, sorry for all the posts but my roomate just showed up with the Sam Adams Imp. Pilsner, so I have one in hand.

Fantastic beer, not really a pilsner in a traditional sense. It is bottle conditioned, pour carefully and leave a bit. It is still cloudy, pours with a nice head that settles slowly and drinks with little lacing. Aroma is tea-like, reminds me of strong brewed iced tea with an earthy hop aroma. Initial taste is hoppy and earthy, nice use of the Hallertau, spicy, tangy, finishes with a mellow, nice hop bite without too much sweetness or bitterness, well balanced, and a similar tea like finish. I do taste the pilsner malt, and can tell it is there, but this is not a pilsner by any means. I don't think it is super hoppy, but I did just preceede this with an IPA, so my buds might be a bit burnt.

All in all, well worth $10 for a 4-pack if for nothing else other than to try it. It is 8.8% and I am feeling it after 22oz of Haus Pale and 22oz of my Saison IPA.

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Old 10-04-2007, 04:02 PM   #16
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There must be some inconsistancy with the batches of Sam's HIP out there. I had it a few weeks ago and while it was ok, I got nothing but hops, hops, hops and bitterness. I didn't find any complexity at all and certainly no characteristics of what I find in a good Pilsner.

I agree with Evan's point that they should've just called it an Imperial Blonde or something like that. It was ok as far as something different to give a try to, but I doubt I'll be buying it again. There are way better beers out there if you're looking for the "hop explosion" Sam's is tauting on the label.

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I've said it before, but there are some beers where making them "Imperial" is just antithetical to what defines that beer style. When I think of a pils, I think - light bodied, refreshing, sessionable. Making an "Imperial Pils" removes every one of these three defining Pilsner characteristics. You might as well make an "Imperial Mild" while you're at it

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I've said it before, but there are some beers where making them "Imperial" is just antithetical to what defines that beer style. When I think of a pils, I think - light bodied, refreshing, sessionable. Making an "Imperial Pils" removes every one of these three defining Pilsner characteristics. You might as well make an "Imperial Mild" while you're at it
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it's like the beer version of an oxymoron. An oversized miniature. A quiet scream.

I think the problem here, though, is in the labeling/naming. Neither of these beers could have ever been mistaken for anything like a pilsner had it not said it on the label. One was a really sweet golden ale, the other was a super-hoppy blonde. Putting pilsner on the label is nothing short of false advertising if you ask me.
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OK, sorry for all the posts but my roomate just showed up with the Sam Adams Imp. Pilsner, so I have one in hand...
I had one last night and I pretty much agree with your assesment. I didn't find it to be the hop-bomb I was expecting. But it was still good - really different. And no, it really isn't what one expects when they think of a Pilsner. Still, I'd get it again, as it was on sale for something like $9 a 4-pack.

My beer pusher was out of the DFH Golden Whatever or I might have gotten it. As it was, I got some Two Brother's Heavy Handed IPA, which was good, but lacking the nose-smack hop aroma I was expecting. I got Lot# 2547 which was wet hopped with Willamette. I want to try Lot#2687 which is wet hopped with Centennial! I also got some Sprecher Oktoberfest which was just fantastic! Best commercial O'fest I've had so far this season.
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