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Old 12-09-2008, 09:48 PM   #21
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I use Illustrator for my labels because it's better suited for the kind of artwork that I do. For bottle labels, you're not going to see quality differences between Photoshop and Illustrator.

I'm curious though, are there pathfinder tools in Photoshop?

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Old 12-09-2008, 10:04 PM   #22
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there are pathfinder tools in photoshop i just find them to be a bit more restrictive than illustrator's

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:10 AM   #23
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Photoshop and Illustrator exist for raster and Vector graphics respectively.

As with all Adobe products, there is sever overlap, which is intended for situations requiring both forms of graphic work.

However, Photoshop is much more heavily equipped to deal with Rasterized graphics, as is the toolset for Illustrator more suited for work with Vector graphics.

Ask anyone who designs on a daily basis and they will tell you that Illustrator is highly equipped for dealing with Vector art, and Photoshop is highly equipped for dealing with Raster art.

As a necessity, both can handle a portion of both raster and vector art.

But I have never met a designer that uses illustrator to touch up photos, or Photoshop to create logos.

It's almost all Vector based art for the sake of being able to edit and scale without Raster limitations. Photoshop can do this, but Illustrator can do it faster and better.

But in the end it's just a tool and is subject to how YOU use it.

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Old 12-10-2008, 08:05 AM   #24
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i use inkscape, and sometimes i import raster graphics i made with gimp

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Old 12-10-2008, 06:22 PM   #25
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Allright folks, settle down. You like Illustrator for vectors because you think it's better, faster, cooler, industry standard, whatever. Fine. All of those things are opinions. Well, wait, the industry standard part is a fact, but the rest are opinions.

Here are some facts that I think everyone who wants to know what program to get for making labels should know:

1. You can create vector graphics in Photoshop.
2. You can create raster graphics in Photoshop.
3. You can create an image that combines both rasterized elements and vector drawings in Photoshop.
4. The print quality of a vector drawing created in Photoshop is no different than that of one created in Illustrator.
5. There are no print quality issues whatsoever inherent to Photoshop. Any print quality issues you experience in Photoshop are likely the result of improper image resolution for the print size.
6. There are no overall quality differences whatsoever between images created in Photoshop and those created in Illustrator. Any you see are a result of your process.
7. Photoshop alone costs half of what Photoshop & Illustrator together cost.


I am not a graphic designer. I am just a crazy guy who designs both raster and vector graphics on a weekly basis both for myself and for my job. I have used Photoshop extensively for this purpose, and never touch Illustrator despite the fact that I have both on my machine.

These guys seem to be professional graphic designers. Professional graphic designers tend to do a LOT of vector work, and vector work can be done faster in Illustrator. Note that I said faster. Faster does not imply better. A professional brewer uses professional tools, and can brew 14bbl as fast as I can brew 5 gallons, but that doesn't make the beer any better. For my money, I'd rather have my 5 gallon system and keep the $80k difference between that and the pro system in my bank account.

Take all that for what it's worth, but make sure you understand the truth about vector graphics, print quality, and photoshop before you buy anything, because there's a lot of outright falsehood being slung about.

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I'm not initiating any back and forth here, but...

I know that you "dont touch" Illustrator and use Photoshop for Vector art, and that's totally fine, but for someone thinking about which product to buy, I would purchase Illustrator over Photoshop for the following reasons:

- There are already capable, free raster editors out there (GIMP)
- Illustrator is designed to handle Vector graphics from the ground up
- Illustrator is the industry standard and will afford you greater flexibility

When in doubt, download both trials and look up some of the million tutorials that are out there. But if you are interested in logo work, my opinion is that Illustrator is hands down more flexible.

That said, you can also make logos in MSPaint or hand draw them.

It's just a tool.

Edit - Nothing wrong with doing it in Photoshop, but if you've got Illy laying around you might give it a shot

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Photoshop and Illustrator exist for raster and Vector graphics respectively.

As with all Adobe products, there is sever overlap, which is intended for situations requiring both forms of graphic work.

However, Photoshop is much more heavily equipped to deal with Rasterized graphics, as is the toolset for Illustrator more suited for work with Vector graphics.

Ask anyone who designs on a daily basis and they will tell you that Illustrator is highly equipped for dealing with Vector art, and Photoshop is highly equipped for dealing with Raster art.

As a necessity, both can handle a portion of both raster and vector art.

But I have never met a designer that uses illustrator to touch up photos, or Photoshop to create logos.

It's almost all Vector based art for the sake of being able to edit and scale without Raster limitations. Photoshop can do this, but Illustrator can do it faster and better.

But in the end it's just a tool and is subject to how YOU use it.
This is exactly what I was trying to say. For personal use, it really doesn't make a difference. I know everyone has the program they like to use. Thats fine. Illustrator does not have the tools to edit pictures. Photoshop does not have the tools to correctly and easily make vector graphics.

You will not really see any quality issues. Files are just much easier to setup in Illustrator for print. Lets say your label is 3X4. You are printing off of your home computer on 8.5X11 20# Bond. You are printing 50 labels. Are you going to print out the 50 labels on 50 single sheets of paper? No. You will fit it 6 up. Therefore, you only have to use about 9 sheets. It is MUCH easier to step and repeat in Illustrator than in Photoshop. When your logo is complete, you can group it and use the copy and move feature to move it over twice and down three times. Select all six images, click the center on page button and BAM, your file is ready to print. If you were doing this in photoshop, you would have to worry about them all being separate layers and all kinds of other crap.
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