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Old 01-19-2011, 11:33 PM   #11
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I re-read it, you're right. Take what I said, then imagine me saying it with less attitude/zeal. Tone it down another notch or two, and that's what I meant. Didn't mean to sound to A-Holey
Oh, I didn't think you sounded A-Holey.

(And like jsb, I always pay for the material I use in my website designs).
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:35 PM   #12
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Horrible analogy and attitude. Lame.
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If you have a problem, then either bring it up without being a jerk or don't reply at all.

Gregger, thank you for sharing these resources with us.
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:46 PM   #13
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Admittedly, this is one of the most passionate threads in the label forum, though!

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Old 01-20-2011, 12:28 AM   #14
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I will add that GIMP is free and similar to photoshop.

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Old 01-20-2011, 01:24 AM   #15
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Horrible analogy and attitude. Lame.
Agreed with this as well.


As someone who deals with design production as well I can say I appreciate the OPs post. I also agree with the posts stating that the logos created are for personal use and not commercial. So lets change the direction of this post, shall we?

The OP posted a wonderful list of resources for free images for us all to use. Google images is nice and all, but you really don't get access to great images that can be used for design. The links posted will. So when looking for good images for your kick-ass logo designs, check those links on the first post for a larger variety of design friendly images.

Personally I use istock for most of my designs. A few dollars goes a long way to stellar and easy to work with art.

Thanks to greggor for the post.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:57 AM   #16
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For the sake of argument....

Lame analogy? We’ll let’s see... I spend hours and hours in front of the computer writing php software packages just like the artists. I make these packages available on the Internet just like the artists and stipulate that if you like the code and find it useful then send me a paypal donation. If someone builds a website using my code but doesn’t pay, you might make the case that they’re unethical; I personally don’t care. What about users of that website? Are they supposed to track down the Intellectual Property holders of the original resource and make sure they’ve been compensated? I use Google to find images and copy those images directly from Google’s search page. Am I supposed to track down the IP holders of the resource and make sure they’ve been compensated? Exactly the same situation.

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Old 01-20-2011, 03:17 AM   #17
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Greggor,

Nice resources. As a photographer, I am honored when somebody wants to use my pictures for work such as these. When asked, I almost always give permission. However, I do ask that the resultant works are not posted on the internet where they will be picked up by sites like Google Images, and then can get used illegally by other people.

I think the advise given at the end of the Fair Use explination that Holden linked to is always the best was to proceed.

Get permission. If you cannot get permission, don't use it, unless it is clear that "fair use" would apply. If they line is "grey", it is not clear, therefore, don't use it.

It is hard for any of us to determine what would effect the potential market or value of the copyrighted work. As an example, I remember reading a post on here where an image of Jiminy Cricket was photoshoped to show him holding a beer. I thought it was a funny image. Unfortunately, it confused the little girl that saw it over my shoulder to the point where I had to explain to her that it was just a funny picture somebody made, and Jiminy Cricket probably does not drink beer. That image can be considered damaging to the copyright holder (Disney). When that image gets picked up by Google Images, does it then make it fair game for everybody else to use?

The internet is still the "wild west" when it comes to enforcement of copyright.

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Old 01-20-2011, 03:51 AM   #18
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For the sake of argument....

Lame analogy? We’ll let’s see... I spend hours and hours in front of the computer writing php software packages just like the artists. I make these packages available on the Internet just like the artists and stipulate that if you like the code and find it useful then send me a paypal donation. If someone builds a website using my code but doesn’t pay, you might make the case that they’re unethical; I personally don’t care. What about users of that website? Are they supposed to track down the Intellectual Property holders of the original resource and make sure they’ve been compensated? I use Google to find images and copy those images directly from Google’s search page. Am I supposed to track down the IP holders of the resource and make sure they’ve been compensated? Exactly the same situation.
Let's change the analogy a bit...

You spent hours in front of the computer writing software, and instead of making it available for free (like your original analogy or the sites that Greggor listed), you decided to sell the software. Somebody purchased that software. In turn, the person that purchased the software that you created decided to put it on the internet in such a way that anybody could download it. A third person uses a search engine to find and download your program. That is fine, correct? I don't think so.

My mom always told me two wrongs don't make a right. The person that first purchased the program is wrong for distributing it, but the person that downloaded it instead of buying it from you is also in the wrong.

Remember, there are legitimate reasons to use images that can be found on Google. But it is YOUR responsibility to make sure you are using them legally.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:15 PM   #19
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For the sake of argument....

Lame analogy? We’ll let’s see... I spend hours and hours in front of the computer writing php software packages just like the artists. I make these packages available on the Internet just like the artists and stipulate that if you like the code and find it useful then send me a paypal donation. If someone builds a website using my code but doesn’t pay, you might make the case that they’re unethical; I personally don’t care. What about users of that website? Are they supposed to track down the Intellectual Property holders of the original resource and make sure they’ve been compensated? I use Google to find images and copy those images directly from Google’s search page. Am I supposed to track down the IP holders of the resource and make sure they’ve been compensated? Exactly the same situation.
I viewed your first reply as a bit of a retort to the OP as if he was making a case against HBT and the admin personally. If one reads between the lines, it's almost as if you were saying "hey, you let us take your copyright images and we won't say anything about you posting on a forum that you haven't financially supported yet". I just find it to be a huge leap.

If you were just trying to suggest that tons of work across all industries are "borrowed" in a grey market kind of way so his point is invalid, I'd say the point has been missed.

By the way, yes, if you find an image on google and intend to use it in a commercial venture, it is your obligation to get permission or pay for the rights to use. If you can't find out who has those rights, you shouldn't use the image.

Again, this is really just an intellectual exercise because 99% of all the "borrowing" going on here is for giggles and no one is really going to be ripped off or defamed in any way if one homebrewer has an image on their home-consumed bottle of beer".
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:37 PM   #20
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Did not intend for this to blow up like this. Maybe one or two thank yous, I could of done without the "bite me", and let it be. Hopefully a future HBT user will stumble across my links while looking at ideas for labels under this topic and find just what they need.

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If you find a good photo that's more modern-ish, I don't mind photoshopping it a bit to make it look more mid-to-early 20th century-like. Also the photo you want is very unique, try looking at library sites or flickr accounts of museums/libraries. Most of them scan their old archives and post them on flickr accounts with no known copyrights, like the Library of Congress.

So I did some searching for your photo, didn't find anything that will make you say "THATS IT!" But I found some old photos that made me laugh...





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