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Old 08-02-2011, 03:19 PM   #11
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Thanks for the glue recipe, it worked great!

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Old 02-28-2012, 10:47 PM   #12
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Thanks for the recipe! This worked excellently for a party the other night. It was a little tough finding the glycerin. The craft store was where I finally found it. The smallest amount I could find was 32 oz. (6 tbsp in 1 oz., so I've got some inventory now...)

Anyhow, I made the glue up and used it on roughly 2 dozen bottles. I had laser color printed some labels I made on labeley.com. I was a little worried the glue would stick to the 12 pack case I put them back into, but no problems!

I put them all into a cooler (is that an Esky?) and packed with ice. Labels stayed on all night! I put my empties back into the cooler, and the ice melted. A couple days later those bottles still had the labels on them, after *soaking* in room temp water.

I fill up the sink with hot water, and let them soak for a minute or two, and they came right off. A quick wipe off, and they were as good as new.

PERFECT GLUE! Thanks!

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Old 04-25-2012, 12:12 AM   #13
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Awesome glue!! I print my labels on a color laser printer on regular plain old paper and use this glue to slap em on the bottles.
Glycerin is usually found in the skin care section of your local pharmacy. I picked up a 4oz bottle at CVS for like 3 bucks.

This recipe should be a sticky so nobody ever has to use milk as glue again.

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Old 07-09-2012, 11:10 PM   #14
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Do you tihnk if you were to paint the outside of the label as well it would make it last even longer in water?

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Old 07-11-2012, 09:53 AM   #15
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Do you tihnk if you were to paint the outside of the label as well it would make it last even longer in water?
I have used a clear spray paint or hair spray on some labels. Didn't really notice any difference, the printed paper seems to be pretty water resistant by its self as long as there aren't any blank spots.
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:27 PM   #16
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Thank you for the recipe. I used it to label two batches of beer yesterday and it worked great, leaving the glue in the saucepan and occasionally warming it up a little to keep liquid enough. Seems to have cured well over night.

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Old 08-29-2012, 03:39 PM   #17
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I labeled a batch of beer yesterday and used this recipe, so far it worked great, thanks for the recipe.

Wanted to share my experience and answer the questions I had after first finding this thread, these are the less important questions

How much gelatin does the recipe call for

I confirmed the amount of gelatin to use, because i thought it was still a little vague in the thread. I found this recipe online under the title Homemade Leather Glue:

Gather the following ingredients to make leather glue: 1 packet (1/4 ounce) of unflavored gelatin, 3 tablespoons of boiling water, 1 tablespoon of vinegar, 1 teaspoon glycerine (ask for glycerine at any pharmacy or craft store).

The original recipe is this recipe doubled and is correct, but just so its clear, it calls for two 1/4 ounce packets of unflavored gelatin, for a total of a half ounce.

What is using it like

When finished, it was like thin rubber cement and easy to brush on. As it cooled, it was still easy to brush on but went on thicker (think more globby), meaning there was more to wipe off the sides after applying the label. Still worked but not as efficient. As for speed, its not as fast as dunking in milk and throwing on, but pretty quick, but a brush is essential.

Another piece of experience, make sure to get the water boiling and mix the gelatin in really well, I heated my water in the microwave and it wasn't quite boiling when I mixed the gelatin in and I got some lumps. I assumed they would dissolve out; they didn't. Although it wasn't a problem, just occasionally I brushed a lump on to the label then had to brush it off.

How far did the batch go

The batch was probably double what I needed for 55 bottles with 4.5x3 inch labels and small neck labels. I put it in an old jam jar, and sealed it up for later. I assume it will work the same when rewarmed, but haven't tried it.

How much will it cost

I already had glycerin from a yeast saving project (got it from CVS for about 5 dollars), had water and vinegar around the house, so all I had to buy was gelatin. 4 packets ran about 2 dollars (only available in boxes of 4 or 32) at Ralphs.

Breaking it down, cost of a batch is about $1.25, mostly for the gelatin, a little for glycerin, water and vinegar basically don't add any cost. If you buy everything in bulk, should be about $.50 a batch. So its cheap, but your out of pocket expense to get started should be around 10 bucks if you have nothing.

Does it leave residue on the bottle

I did this last night, just checked the bottles, as fas as I can tell, no. With milk, I get a residue on the bottles that made them look dirty. Not a big deal, but after all the work of removing old labels, printing new labels, and glueing them on straight, its annoying.

Overall, really happy with the results and don't plan on going back to milk

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Old 08-31-2012, 02:10 AM   #18
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How far did the batch go

The batch was probably double what I needed for 55 bottles with 4.5x3 inch labels and small neck labels. I put it in an old jam jar, and sealed it up for later. I assume it will work the same when rewarmed, but haven't tried it.
sealing it up in a jar and keeping it in the fridge works fine, it sets to a jelly when cold just put it in the microwave for a couple seconds or fill a bowl with boiling water a set the jar in the bowl (great way to stop it going gluggy while your working as well).

as for how long it will last. I've just finished my original batch of glue after something like a year and a half since originally mixing it and re-heating and re-cooling it over a dozen times. Over this time I didn't notice any change in the glue at all, (holding ability, consistency, smell, etc)
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I too made this glue but I've been waiting to reply until I could fully test it out. What everyone said earlier is correct. I made one batch and I have bottled over 200 with labels. I still have about 1/3 left over. I'm finding it more difficult to keep it warm with the smaller amount of glue. I plan to get one of those warming plates for that scented wax to keep the glue warm while I work with it.

Last night I conducted my final test and delabeled some bottles. I placed a bottle in ice water and let it sit for 15 minutes. I found the label was still intact but you could damage the label with a finger with moderate pressure. If bottles were banged together when wet they would be damaged. Perhapse if I used a tougher paper it would be harder to damage them. I used color copier paper.

When I cleaned the labels off I still made up a batch of oxyclean as usual because I wanted to scrub the insides of the bottles as it had been a while. I filled my bathtub with the hottest water I could and put one scoop of oxyclean in there. I then put all the bottles in the water. By the time they were all in I could pick them up and scrape the labels off with a finger. Super easy! Some even slid off without tearing. Some took a second bath because a portion I label wasn't wet or warm enough to release.

It isn't the perfect glue. I say that because I don't think commercial breweries would be happy with its performance but this is the best glue for the home brew community! I will enjoy making labels for every batch now. I hope we can convince some of the competitions to let us submit labeled beer for review while still being able to enter the beer inside for competition.

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Old 09-08-2012, 12:56 PM   #20
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I don't think the labeled beer is going to fly, but most fairs have label competitions.

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