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Old 03-07-2008, 08:47 AM   #11
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Yeah, but this time I asked it.




And that changes the question HOW?


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Old 03-07-2008, 09:51 AM   #12
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Ok, I think that orfy may have been trying to stir up some sh1t here.

But if you consider his question carefully he is not asking whether extract brewers are true brewers, he asked whether the act of pitching yeast is brewing.

To this, I would have to say no. In B.C., we can buy beer from a U-Brew facility. The employees of the U-Brew operation do all of the work to prepare the wort. Due to B.C. laws, the customer must come pitch the yeast themselves. They then leave, and return two weeks later to pick up there beer.

In this scenario, the act of pitching yeast does not make one a brewer.

I would agree that 'mixing extract, water, and yeast' is not brewing. To me, that means those no-boil kits where you pour a bunch of sh1t in a bucket, throw in some yeast and wait for your beer. That is not brewing.



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Old 03-07-2008, 10:00 AM   #13
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If you consider his question carefully he is not asking whether extract brewers are true brewers, he asked whether the act of pitching yeast is brewing.
Another thing to consider is those Belgian dudes that let their beer ferment spontaneously. They're certainly brewers, but they don't add the yeast themselves.

I've always thought that I don't make the beer, the yeast does. I just have to look after them to make sure they're happy and well-fed. I guess I see myself more as the dairy farmer, and less like the cow.
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:37 AM   #14
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Going AG was mostly just to have more control over the end product but I became a brewer the moment I walked in my LHBS and purchased my first brewing kit.
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Old 03-07-2008, 11:41 AM   #15
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*goes out back to beat on the dead horse some more.*

Yes, it's still brewing. Even if you're only brewing from concentrate.
I went AG because it's more fun, not because I didn't think I was really brewing.
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Old 03-07-2008, 11:58 AM   #16
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I made wine before I made beer, so I was very comfortable with fermentation even though there was no boiling at all. Making beer was a natural progression, from starting with extract kits and moving on to making up my own AG recipes. I would say that as long as you feel that you're making beer, you can call yourself a brewer.
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:07 PM   #17
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I am a brewer.
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:16 PM   #18
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At the end of the day, it's more of a "sliding scale" thing to me. I feel like I've been a brewer since the first time I boiled up some extract in water. But after 65 batches, and going AG, and crafting all my own recipes from scratch, and striving to perfect the science and process, and making beer that I honestly prefer over commercial craft brews, I feel like I'm more of a brewer now.
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I think Extract is brewing for sure. There are still prenty of variables that you can adjust, you're just starting with stock.
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:45 PM   #20
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this is like the chicken or the egg debate. or the nature vs nurture debate. I don't think there is any one real answer. its like the people who play golf...but aren't "golfers."

my 2 cents are a brewer (which i cannot consider myself yet but i'm on my way) is someone who turns brewing into their own personal science. Someone who puts some real thought into what they're doing (note taking, planning, research etc) in an attempt to create the best results possible under their brewing conditions. A brewer can be AG or extract as long as this effort is put forward.

make any sense?


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