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earlytimes · 06-15-2008, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlindLemonLars

Yes, but you're also implying that he had "no respect" for her, and that he treated her "like a sex toy." You don't know either of these to be true.

Of course you're entitled to your opinions about this case, but it's a little unsettling when they're not based on anything factual, but upon pre-conceived notions about casual sex.

ditto, except replace "no respect" with "the utmost respect" and "like a sex toy" with "NOT like a sex toy". Are your assumptions any more valid than mine? The answer to that is a unanimous "NO".

Please re-read my posts. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.

**BlindLemonLars** · 06-15-2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

Are your assumptions any more valid than mine? The answer to that is a unanimous "NO".

The difference is that I haven't made any assumptions. I'm acknowledging that I know nothing more about what happened than what was in the article.

The only conclusion I've drawn, is that to plan and commit the violent disfigurement of an individual is reprehensible and completely indefensible. Whatever happened previously is entirely irrelevant. Opinions pro/con about "casual sex" are entirely irrelevant.

NitrouStang96 · 06-15-2008, 04:19 AM

But if it weren't for casual sex, the world would be a much better place... so how can it be irrelevant?

lol

earlytimes · 06-15-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlindLemonLars

The difference is that I haven't made any assumptions. I'm acknowledging that I know nothing more about what happened than what was in the article.

I've made no more assumptions than you have...

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Originally Posted by BlindLemonLars

The only conclusion I've drawn, is that to plan and commit the violent disfigurement of an individual is reprehensible and completely indefensible. Whatever happened previously is entirely irrelevant. Opinions pro/con about "casual sex" are entirely irrelevant.

HEY! We agree on something! yey!

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Originally Posted by earlytmes

I'm NOT saying he got what he deserved

EvilTOJ · 06-15-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

I agree the girl was WAY out of line here, but it's not like the guy who had sex with her and never called back was a real upstanding guy either. I'm NOT saying he got what he deserved, but

aaaaaaaand that's where I stopped agreeing with you. So what, maybe he just wanted a quick lay and that's it. Maybe she felt used the day after and wanted to cry 'victim'. Maybe maybe maybe. We just dunno. If our opinions on casual sex are irrelevant, then why did you bring it up more than once?

Did you notice that she waited two years after the fact to enlist her current boyfriend to lure the victim to a hotel room, taser him, hold him down and firebrand him? Two. Years. She also kicked him while he was down and laughed at his agony. There's a woman with serious mental problems. Hardly a fitting punishment for a hump and dump, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

And I will say it again - if weren't for casual sex, this would not have happened in the first place. You have to admit that.

Just like how people who are mugged are asking for it, right? I mean really, if they hadn't been out so late and alone they're basically asking for it. Who's to say that after one date without fooling around he never called her back, and she wanted revenge anyways? I've seen some crazy women in my day.

The guy should get a smaller brand that says 'type' in small letters and brand underneath that huge R.

bethlehembrewer · 06-15-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

If you re-read my post you'll notice that I clearly stated :

I'm afraid that a homebrew talk forum is not going to convince anyone that casual sex is wrong. However, please respect the fact that if you have the right to state your opinions here, I have the same rights to state my opinions.

You think I'm wrong - I think you're wrong - I'll drink to that.

You are correct you did say he didn't deserve it. But you did say we as men should have more respect for women and sex. What about women having respect for men??? Look at Sex and the City and what that has spawned. Women are just as guilty if you want to call it that. So I took the statement to mean men are the only ones who don't offer respect to the opposite gender when it comes to sex. Now im not going off on a rant about women so please don't take it as that, but you can't single men out on this and think the stance has validity.

And if it upset her that much, why did she have sex with him right off the bat?? From what I gather they probably met at the bar when they were both drunk and then had sex. Happens all the time with much better outcomes. Casual sex happens all the time and it is sometimes initiated by the female, wait no that can't be right, but it is. It can be good for people too. I went to college, I have seen the way some men and women act. They do things like have casual one night stands because they are lonley or thats just what they do. I have also seen where some of these men and women claim things after that because they want attention, and they get it.

She is crazy, had less respect for him or humanity then he had for her. The punishment she got was lame. She waited two years to make this happen?? I call that premeditated, which for other crimes get a more severe punishment.

Dig · 06-15-2008, 03:04 PM

Well said.

I agree with everyone but earlytimes. However, earlytimes is entitled to her opinion. RDWHAHB

earlytimes · 06-15-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dig

Well said.

I agree with everyone but earlytimes. However, earlytimes is entitled to her opinion. RDWHAHB

What makes you think I'm a girl?

Bethlehembrewer - I agree with you completely on the evils of "sex and the city"

Look, I was in no way trying to defend this woman's actions - they were clearly out of line. I was simply trying to emphasize the point that sex is a powerful thing and should not be tossed around so carelessly. And until we as a society realize this, people are going to continue to get hurt and some people are going to act out in an unhealthy way as we see here. It's a sad reality.

I'm going to reiterate my first post, then I'm finished contributing to this thread:

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

I agree the girl was WAY out of line here, but it's not like the guy who had sex with her and never called back was a real upstanding guy either. I'm NOT saying he got what he deserved, but I am saying if we had more respect for women and sex in this country, then this kind of stuff wouldn't be happening in the first place.

Thanks for putting up with me

NitrouStang96 · 06-15-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

I was simply trying to emphasize the point that sex is a powerful thing and should not be tossed around so carelessly. And until we as a society realize this, people are going to continue to get hurt and some people are going to act out in an unhealthy way as we see here. It's a sad reality.

Early, early, early...

bethlehembrewer · 06-15-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by earlytimes

What makes you think I'm a girl?

Bethlehembrewer - I agree with you completely on the evils of "sex and the city"

Look, I was in no way trying to defend this woman's actions - they were clearly out of line. I was simply trying to emphasize the point that sex is a powerful thing and should not be tossed around so carelessly. And until we as a society realize this, people are going to continue to get hurt and some people are going to act out in an unhealthy way as we see here. It's a sad reality.

I'm going to reiterate my first post, then I'm finished contributing to this thread:

Thanks for putting up with me

Its been a good discussion. I just hate to see men singled out and get the shaft.