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Old 03-11-2012, 04:27 PM   #1
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Default Why not recommend half-batches?

I'm on batch number 6, and I've made at least one pretty good blunder per batch, followed by an adjustment to refine my method, etc. It's occurred to me to get a 3-gallon carboy and make half batches for a while. At least until I get the process sorted (and I also want to refine my two primary recipes). I'm figuring this will cut down on the amount of bad beer I have to drink. It will also reduce the interval between "experiments" (and more brewing makes for more fun, as we all know).

But now I can't help wondering why this isn't recommended for beginners. Other than refining the full-batch proportions, is there some reason why you wouldn't recommend that folks should start with smaller batches?

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Old 03-11-2012, 04:32 PM   #2
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Most new brewers feel best buying kits, which are five gallons, so that's one reason. Also, takes the same amount of time and effort to brew 2.5 gallons as 5, so 5 is more efficient.

That said, I've done a number of half batches and agree they can be a great learning tool, especially when experimenting. :-)

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I agree that the biggest reason I'll never bother with half batches,or 1G batches for beer is that the same amount of time & effort is needed as for a 5 or 6 gallon batch. I'd rather get a coule of cases instead of one 12pack. I've made a couple mistakes at the begining myself,but nothing time & temp correction couldn't fix. On that note I never saw the need for a bunch of little batches lying around. I jot down recipes that spring to mind after some research to make sure the amounts of it's constituents are correct or close. Less bottled mistakes that way.
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Sure you can make smaller batches..

Your idea that brewing more often will increase your experience and hopefully make you a better brewer.

I guess I did so much research before I started that I had the process down pretty good and my brews have all turned out good. When I started some were just good and some were great. As my brewing experience increased the brews now are all very good. So experience does help.

Brew more.

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Brew more.
Exactly. And smaller batches are a great way to do this, cuz you can go through the brewing process more often for the same amount of finished product.
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Old 03-11-2012, 05:23 PM   #6
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One thing - you don't need a 3 gallon carboy for a half-batch. You're current carboy will work out just fine if you choose to go that route.

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One thing - you don't need a 3 gallon carboy for a half-batch. You're current carboy will work out just fine if you choose to go that route.
It may even be better for primary helping getting oxygen in the wort.
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Many of us DO recommend smaller batches...you just must not have seen any of the bazillion threads on them. Both 1 gallon and 2.5 gallon batches are pretty common, despite what the above naysayers might have you think. In fact there's so many that some of them have been clamoring for a small glass section of the forum.

You didn't happen to notice THIS current thread going on right now?

I do quite a few small batch brews, usually 2.5 gallon stovetop ag batches, and 1 gallon ciders, meads and wines.

In fact last week I brewed 2, 2.5 gallon batches-using nothing but a 2 gallon cooler, a pot that holds 4 gallons a mr beer fermenter , and ONLY the grains, hops and yeast I have on hand (I keep all my brewing supplies at my GF, since she has a yard and I live in a condo,) but I still can do batches here with limited supplies.
I posted my results in one of the many small batch brewing threads on here.

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I am going to do a stovetop small batch kitchen sink brewing challenge. I keep my gear and grain at my girlfriends, but unpacking a box this week I found a hand full of grains. I also have a tiny bit of hops and yeast. I also have a 2 gallon cooler (which @ 1 quart/# of grain can mash 6#s of grains) I have a 5 gallon pot (that I only comfortably use it up to 3.5 gallons) my old Mr Beer keg and a 3 gallon better bottle. So my goal is to make 2-2.5 gallon batches with limited materials.

What I have on hand for ingredients are;
2.25oz Debittered Black Malt.
8 & 1/8 ounces flaked wheat.
6.5 oz flaked corn.
6# 10 oz 2-row
1.5# Dark Amber home toasted 2-row
.5# Toasted Amber 2-row
A box of quick oats, that I roasted a pound of for 40 minutes at 375
Hops
1/2 oz styrian goldings
1 oz Sterling
1oz Columbus
Us 04 and 05 yeast.
If I want I can always toast more of the 2 row....

Half pound of home toasted malt. Smells amazing.


Mashing the frst recipe now. "Kitchen Sink" Toasty Oaty Mild
Batch Size (fermenter): 2.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.037 SG
Estimated Color: 13.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 25.3 IBUs
Ingredients:
Amt Name
2 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)
1 lbs Home Toasted Amber (65.0 SRM)
8.0 oz Home Toasted Oats,
1.0 oz Debittered Black
2.0 oz Lyle's Golden Syrup (0.0 SRM)
0.22 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.90 %] IBUs
0.5 pkg SafAle English Ale (DCL/Fermentis #S-04)

Using the braid from my regular tun in a 2 gallon cooler


Counter Top Ghetto Tier (A little foot stool, my 2 gallon cooler and a graduated bucket in the sink.)


First Runnings


3.5 gallons of wort to boil down to 2.5
(Thank god for fermcap)


Adding the ridiculously tiny amount of our hoppy friends.


Getting ready to chill


With a garden hose/faucet adapter you can use your wort chiller indoors.


Yes, that's what you think it is. The perfect small batch fermenter.


A little O2 action


Yeast time.


Batch 1 is done!!!







I've also put together several primers on small batch brewing here. I show a couple options for minimash tuns, including an unmodified 2 gallon cooler, and one of those 5 liter minikegs.

And there's links into the info I put into the MR Beer thread as well.

I think the whole "same amount of work" naysayer notion is Bull****. When is homebrewing ever "WORK?"

It's a HOBBY, for christsakes, the act of brewing gives me pleasure. So whether I'm doing a 1 gallon batch, a 2.5 gallon test batch of a recipe/or experimental brew, a 5 gallon batch or a 25 gallon batch with a buddy for his wedding, I'm having fun.

If it were work, I wouldn't be ****ing doing it at all. So why the hell the size of the batch matter if the time spent doing it is pleasurable?

There's a ton of small batch brewers on here. So much so that every now and then they demand a subsection of the forum just for themselves. Don't let the naysayers discourage you.

It's funny, no one bats an eye when someone says they're making a gallon of JAOM or any Mead, or using their mr beer fermenter for apfwelwien, or making a gallon of wine, but if any brewer decides he wants to do small batch brewing, bunch of folks come out of the woodwork talking about how small batch brewing is too much work for the payoff.

But there are a lot of folks doing it. The basic brewing radio folks I think went a long way into given 1 gallon batches cache.

In fact the Brooklyn Brew kits, which are 1 gallon AG batches are becoming more and more popular.
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Agreed revvy. I just got done brewing a 2 gallon batch. Mr IPA my lhbs calls it. It was a blast! took about an hour maybe 2 w clean up.I feel great. Nothing goin on today. It was a experiment. Hopefully it turns out ok. I chilled the 1 gallon of wort down,pour water up to about 1.75gal. checked temp,pitched yeast and split it between 2 1 gallon containers.rigged up blow offs. and now we play the waiting game brewing is fun. I am new to it but I love it. Total moments of zen. even if things go wrong its all part of the experience I think.

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Speaking for myself,I never said it wasn't popular...just not to me. Secondly,by "work" I think you know what was meant. Simply stated,the same amount of "effort" is put forth regardless of amount brewed.
As for 1 or 2 gallon batches of wine,that's more understandable. I did it for a lot of years with wine making. A few bottles here,a few bottles there. Wine uses bigger bottles,& you don't tend to drink as much of it at one time,ime.
If you like it,fine. I'm past that myself,not to belittle anyone. To each his own. Whatever floats your boat. I like full batches at my age for the effort I have to put out.
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